I agree. I think that the bigger they are the harder they fall. The Viper is todays American supercar. It took the place of the Vettes day one. Although I don't think it's legal, let it run. The funnest battle I ever watched was Alex vs Sam. Good stuff. It makes for stiff competition.
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Originally posted by '97 S14 SE Turb
Ghost,
You are ignoring D. It's basically a waiver that F-D gives to the VCC... If they allow the car, then it's legal. That's what statement D states specifically.
If you are reading this Formula D, i hope next year you make some revisions to your rules, if nothing else delete your rule D. Because if your going to have Rule D you might as well not have any rules and just deside what can race on the spot.
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It is [pointless] when both parties never expand on reasoning to support their thoughts
Are you refusing to accept that the base structure of the Viper is the same as the VCC?
As for you example about the GTO, M3, etc, you are forgetting another big important point. Those are sheet metal cars, and modified to be partial tubeframe. That's when they change the suspension.
Please, read up more on race car construction, the viper, the VCC, etc. It would help you out.
But why do you think thats unfair? do u understand that drifting is NOT ALL ABOUT HORSEPOWER
Factories have a way of pushing the rules to the limits to win.
So, talking about tube frame vehicles, how about the Noble M12 and Lotus Elise?
That's why so many of a certain car is produced to make it legal for the class they are going for.
If we looked at things like you did, then no cars would be able to compete unless you rented them from Thrifty.
Oh, and I am too lazy to find the quote now, but no, I didn't see gushi beat the viper... I don't even know when the events are. I don't follow it closely. Anyway, 97S14, if I offended you, sorry... I was just not pleased that you dismissed my argument without anything to back it up with, even if I was wrong. Haha, this has been beaten to death, and I don't really know what I can argue anymore.... :P
I just don't want to see $250k cars, with sequential 'boxes, totally built chassis, etc, when guys have to stick with cars within their budgets. And if you say that driver's skill matters most, I won't argue, but it's obvious that the car matters a little bit. You're not going to win a competition in a stock miata, no matter who you are. Moreover, anyone would look better in a better car, period. Therefore the car does have an effect. If it didn't everyone would be out there in the cheapest cars available.
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Originally posted by Ghost of Duluth
Wrong. Seems you have been reading the wrong posts.
The VCC is a special 25 unit production Viper much like the GTS-R was.
sorry to beat a dead horse.
what we need is for their to be some sort of explanation by scca, fd, and/or mopar.
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this thread really turned technical. I kinda got slammed for saying this in another thread. But when they turned drifting into a competative sport... what did they expect to happen, have everyone keep running cheap import cars that the scene was started on... yeah right, they're gonna push the limits, and bend every rule they can to get there. Thats the nature of competition. In drag racing ppl still fight over whether nitrous is cheating or not. Tho I think rules should be strictly enforced, technicallity or not. Whats the point in having rules if you're gonna let things slip through the cracks.
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Please read this interview.
http://www.drifting.com/forums/showt...&threadid=5505
"Many teams were concerned about the Viper having a tube chassis; can you explain this?"
When some other Formula D teams had learned that Lateral G Racing was introducing a Competition Coupe Viper in this series, they where concerned that we had an advantage because it's a tube chassis car. The Competition Coupe Viper is a tube chassis car, but it is no different than the chassis's that are found on the Vipers at Dodge dealerships. The Competition Coupe is a factory modified production car, bottom line. But let's look at drifting events anyway; we are not racing laps at over 150mph to a checkered flag where a tube chassis may be an advantage because it can shave 10ths of seconds on each corner. In drifting our average corner speeds are around 35-40mph, plus our Viper weighs almost 3000lbs, which is at least 500lbs heavier than our competitors' vehicles. When the Viper is carrying 500lbs more weight into a corner going 35-40mph, how is a tube chassis going to help? The judges need to take this into consideration because we feel this is not an advantage by any means. It's a great deal of work to drift a 3000lb car irrespective of the chassis, but Samuel is a talented driver and that is what drifting is about, driver skill.
An explanation for the argument against tube chassis cars is that it allows .... (VISIT THE LINK BELOW FOR MORE INFO.)
http://www.drifting.com/forums/showt...&threadid=5505
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HHAHAHA WHO ARE THEY KIDDING?!?
if that car didnt have an advantage, and it's build/frame wasnt an advantage, WHY would they even bother with it?!?
the D1 rules say that the car has to maintain it's unibody struction and no tube frame extensions are allowed.
even though this is a factory modified car, it's still a unibody car with tube frame extensions, in essense. why should it matter that the mods were made by the factory, that shouldnt exclude them from following the rules.
I think it would have been considerably more sportman like, and more true to the drifting scene if they took a unibody viper and built it up within what's allowable in the rules.
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Originally posted by clay payton
HHAHAHA WHO ARE THEY KIDDING?!?
the D1 rules say that the car has to maintain it's unibody struction and no tube frame extensions are allowed.
Formula D rules are different...obviously. That's why the car competes. geez.
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