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Old 06-20-2012, 02:07 PM   #1
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:12 PM   #2
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dkfox about 2 hours ago
2j or no way!!
ssontag1 about 2 hours ago
Go v8
pumpy15 about an hour ago
2jz".
ricer321037 about an hour ago
2jz
miixedboiinyame about an hour ago
Not just any V8, a LSX! emoji
mrbombstagram about an hour ago
I've seen what the v8 can do with all that torque stock so.... 2jz still *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* emoji
iimightbeurdad about an hour ago
^ emoji
c_lewis337 about an hour ago
Both are great. But having a miata with a lsx personally, v8 all day.
iillest_thriillz about an hour ago
2j
tyursin about an hour ago
Rb25
nelson_wolf about an hour ago
2JZ
cdecker25 about an hour ago
2JZ...have one in my Lexus!
cdecker25 about an hour ago
2JZ...have one in my Lexus!
lilwreck1 about an hour ago
2jz. No two ways about it. V8's are like Hondas, designed to perform while going straight
kblair49 about an hour ago
Anyone who's driven a 2jz knows it's the only way to go.
duhhitsedwin about an hour ago
Whats the mpg like? Ahahah just kidding ^_^
rearwheelsti about an hour ago
Your *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*ing stupid to not choose the 2jzgte. Those motors outperform so many and only being a I6 3.0
badassdood about an hour ago
I watched the sicky 370z with a ls9 in it absolutely dominate 2j supras as well as rb25 240's at the street life tour in Dayton Ohio. So your all wrong.
kblair49 about an hour ago
Your = possessive. You're = you are. You don't know motors, or basic English. Just shut up

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Old 06-20-2012, 03:36 PM   #3
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iimightbeurdad about an hour ago
Lmfao did emoji @kblair49
lukezawistowski about an hour ago
Ls9
lilwreck1 about an hour ago
@badassdood I barely see it dominate anyone who's actually been driving for a while. Lets skip the amateurs and take it to the pros Daigo>Dai all day.
tlbc_coolkid about an hour ago
2j over v8 like d1 over fd

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Old 06-20-2012, 06:11 PM   #4
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s13skyy about 3 hours ago
V8 is lighter, no turbos or inter cooler makes it that way. Also, torque.
hannikhol about 3 hours ago
2j or dieemojiemoji
swisherjdm13 about 3 hours ago
2jz screw GM and USDM
coreydrifts about 3 hours ago
@kblair49 funny v8 vs 2jz 2jz haveing stronger internals stock also haveing higher hp potental for any motor sport more reliable 2jz out dose the v8 reliabilty comes from its in line 6 design rather than the v8 causes more stress on the rods mains crank wrist pins just sayin no big deal so driftingcom 2jz all day or 13b T2
nismofanatic748 about 3 hours ago
2jz v8 is ovrrrated
ahrut7 about 3 hours ago
Rb over 2j
suislider about 3 hours ago
@driftingcom whos v8 build is that?
drupert77 about 2 hours ago
You'll never get the torque a v8 has, and that coming from an rb25 owner. Both great engines. Some I'm in the middle in this one.
drupert77 about 2 hours ago
So*
lucasjohnsonallgood about 2 hours ago
Both dope... Buuuuuttt gotta go 2jz
coreydrifts about 2 hours ago
Also who cares in what car the motor out performs 2jz its self is all around better makes mote power handles more power less stress on all moveing parts when comparrd to a v8 it comes down to the drive and how well and confterble he is with his car 2jz FACT better motor for all around moto sports @driftingcom
coreydrifts about an hour ago
@kblair49 lol your = possisive clearly ur not to bright granted I cant spell worth *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* but @driftingcom is asking your feed back witch would be a opinion only you would have to give u may know grammar cool now go learn how to use it


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Old 06-20-2012, 08:51 PM   #5
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Both motors have huge potential. If you go with an american V8, its going to be alot cheaper than a built 2Jz. You can find LS1 blocks for around $1,500 from a junk yard with low mileage. Parts are plentiful can most parts can be found at your local parts store. (very helpful if something does break during competion. Love'em or hate'em, there very reliable even when being trashed around. Torque is unmatched.

That said, if your talking about a street car used for the ocasional drift event that's started out with a 2JZ, i wouldn't swap one for any V8 cause at that point it would proabaly cost more to get the V8 running than just build up the 2JZ. But if starting from scratch, i'd go V8 all the way.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:37 AM   #6
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Both have been proven to perform in drifting so arguing which is better is pointless. Almost everyone says

2JZ more expensive? Can anyone break down the cost of a 2JZGTE and an LS1 from stock form then built to at least 500hp?

Rules: RETAIL PRICING, No craigs list ads, no "I know a guy" or "I can fab/wire it myself" discounts, swapping into an S chassis with no engine, wiring, and tranny. Just what you need to get the car running well.

Lets see if someone can break down the facts with links to back it up.
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Both have been proven to perform in drifting so arguing which is better is pointless. Almost everyone says

2JZ more expensive? Can anyone break down the cost of a 2JZGTE and an LS1 from stock form then built to at least 500hp?

Rules: RETAIL PRICING, No craigs list ads, no "I know a guy" or "I can fab/wire it myself" discounts, swapping into an S chassis with no engine, wiring, and tranny. Just what you need to get the car running well.

Lets see if someone can break down the facts with links to back it up.
I second this.
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Old 06-21-2012, 10:26 PM   #8
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2JZ more expensive? Can anyone break down the cost of a 2JZGTE and an LS1 from stock form then built to at least 500hp?

Rules: RETAIL PRICING, No craigs list ads, no "I know a guy" or "I can fab/wire it myself" discounts,...
Why not? Thats part of what makes V8's so apealing in the U.S. There plentyiful, so deals can be had almost anywhere. Not to say that deals can't be had on the 2JZ, but there alot harder to find just lieing around vs. an LS engine.

I think what needs to be asked is why are so many teams turning to V8's in general? There not just doing it because its the "cool thing to do".
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I think what needs to be asked is why are so many teams turning to V8's in general? There not just doing it because its the "cool thing to do".
Broader powerband

The cost of a reliable 500HP 2j or 1J is about the same as a LSX

How many motors did Luke Longburger go through last year?
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:08 PM   #10
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Why not? Thats part of what makes V8's so apealing in the U.S. There plentyiful, so deals can be had almost anywhere. Not to say that deals can't be had on the 2JZ, but there alot harder to find just lieing around vs. an LS engine.

I think what needs to be asked is why are so many teams turning to V8's in general? There not just doing it because its the "cool thing to do".
True, but just saying if someone wanted to do this for the numbers, getting a baseline cost of retail for both builds is not something that should be hard to do. This is more of a statistical POV. From there you can get an idea of what you can be saving by not cutting corners in the build, but still getting the job done right with less money. Keep in mind I'm not looking for labor quotes. Just parts needed to be able to do the swap yourself in your home garage, and drive the car. Assume the rest is ready to go like chassis mods, tires, wheels safety equip, etc. Everything is done but you need an engine, tranny, wiring, ECU, and related parts for the swap to work.

FYI -- This is to get 500HP minimum at the crank.

Used engines from an online or shop advertised engine dealer will count as getting a brand new engine is out of the question for most people who would want to do this, but I'm not stopping anyone from wanting to put it in their quote.

I will consider Ebay shopping to be fair, but brand new parts only, NOT used. Of course that is at your own risk to be scrutinized by others who will see what you would use.

I'm working on this myself, but I know there are those out there who would like to know the answer to this and can back up their claims.

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Great thread on 2JZ S chassis swap.
http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/3841...is-thread.html

Zero mile 2JZ short blocks straight from Toyota are $2,000, shipped to your door. Call your local Toyota dealer. How much are factory LS motors delivered?

Searching an LS1 forum on this subject the opinions were sort of surprising. The consensus seemed to be its cheaper to build up to 600 hp on a 2J and less wear and tear on the drive train. Of course they support the LS1 for any other purposes such as peak hp and low end torque due to displacement and road racing due to the lighter weight. Still surprising that they would concede anything though.

I think for drifting, once smaller teams learn to drift while keeping tire spin up and improve setups to compensate for the extra weight up front, 2JZ will become a more practacle solution.

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Great thread on 2JZ S chassis swap.
http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/3841...is-thread.html

Zero mile 2JZ short blocks straight from Toyota are $2,000, shipped to your door. Call your local Toyota dealer. How much are factory LS motors delivered?
Which dealer did you call? I got a quote of $3200.00 and that did not include shipping. Also this was coming straight from Japan so shipping was going to be north of $1,000.

GM short blocks are anywhere from $800 for an LT1, up to $3200 for a big block LS9. You can get a turn key LS3 525hp brand new for about $6200 (not shipped)

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Great thread on 2JZ S chassis swap.
http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/3841...is-thread.htmlSearching an LS1 forum on this subject the opinions were sort of surprising. The consensus seemed to be its cheaper to build up to 600 hp on a 2J and less wear and tear on the drive train. Of course they support the LS1 for any other purposes such as peak hp and low end torque due to displacement and road racing due to the lighter weight. Still surprising that they would concede anything though.
Ya i saw that thread. Very interesting indeed. I don't know if i aggree with less wear on the drivetrain with the 2Jz. To me its not going to matter which engine is choosen. Both are making big numbers and while the LS1 has more torque, it has a broader curve.

Funny that the LS1 guys conceed to the 2J for drifting, looking at the Lexus and other import forums, the general concusnuss is the LS1 is the better swap.
I still belive that the Ls1 is going to be far easier to get parts for in a pinch.


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Great thread on 2JZ S chassis swap.
http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/3841...is-thread.htmlI think for drifting, once smaller teams learn to drift while keeping tire spin up and improve setups to compensate for the extra weight up front, 2JZ will become a more practacle solution.
I actually was thinking just the opisite. 5 years ago i would have said the 2JZ saw the more practical choice. Now you can purchase swap kits for nearly any chassis, and the engines are so plentiful things have become alot cheaper. Teams have sorted out what ever bugs there were associated in the swap and info is plentiful as the engines. To me the broader torque curve alone is worth the swap. In terms of building there's enough info on both engines to build to the power levels that you want if you decide to build the motors yourself, but i still think there's something that U.S. builders are seriously lacking in terms of building up Japanesse engines for competition that they haven't figured out yet.

On a final note, V8's just sound better. Hahaha
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:12 PM   #13
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I think it depends on the horsepower you are trying to make.
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:33 PM   #14
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I guess Saito did drift a V8 car....



and he liked it!
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And it was LHD...welcome to 2010!

Daigo was suppose to drive a Mustang years ago in D1GP...never happened.
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Daigo joins ASD and takes JTP's Mustang? or they build him a new one? It could happen.
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Im pretty sure diagos brian crower stroked 3.4 has been the same engine for the whole season. Not bad for 1138 whp
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Im pretty sure diagos brian crower stroked 3.4 has been the same engine for the whole season. Not bad for 1138 whp
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Same with Robbies engine but he isn't making as much power, only ~ 850 whp

Must be that neo synthetic sizzurp

I still think v8's have the advantage if you can afFORD it.

Now that the seasons over I think it would be cool to see Daigo in an american car. I mean what better way than to compete with the other drivers with similar cars.

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No way. Tell him to bring over that IS340 from FD Asia. I would say the JZX100 but that just wouldn't be fair competition.



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or how about a 2jz 1200 hp rocket bunny frs haha.

its kinda of cool that its been 4 years since the last winner of Formula D did not have a V8
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or how about a 2jz 1200 hp rocket bunny frs haha.

its kinda of cool that its been 4 years since the last winner of Formula D did not have a V8
1200 hp 2400 lbs car. Only if they make a vert
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1200 hp 2400 lbs car. Only if they make a vert
hahah running a 235 tire wouldn't work very well daigo would probably have so much wheel speed the tires wouldn't last more than one pass.
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I'm not sure what I hate more - too many people still sweating the 2JZ or too many people running V8's.

Can I pick choice C) Neither?
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