Drift w/ Manual Steering Setup?

[R2K]

powersteering rock... i drive my car when its turn off and hell i have to put all my might to just move the car...

[Boostsfed]

Originally posted by Parry
Those are called "suicide knobs".

If I remember correctly, they're illegal because you crash, fly forward, hit the knob, and impale yourself on it.

Wicked fun.

or get b-tch slap by it...lol

[Octagon]

Power steering only results in fewer turns should the manufacturer choose to make it fewer turns. It is not a rule, simply an outcome.

And, quite frankly, it's an outcome common in inexpensive economy cars where the owner is expected to want to put as little effort into driving as possible. True sports cars often times have no power steering as it's a redundant system prone to failure in racing situations. (ever had your power steering fluid boil? trust me, it's not fun)

I do own a car with a no-power rack and pinion setup (1970 MGB GT) and I can safely say that it is less than three turns lock to lock. Thanks to very favorable factory CASTER (oh my god, I've actually brought one of those suspension geometry doohickeys into account) the wheel is very easy to turn so long as the car is in motion, however the car is also notably darty at speed.

In closing, I can agree with Drift For Food that it is the car that determines the drivability, and not whether or not it has a single component. Manual steering and power steering are simply components. How you use the components, and not what they are, determines how well you will do.

[sukimoto]

my 280 doesn't have power steering, and i haven't done much modification, i've dropped about 50 pounds off or so that's all so far, i can get it sideways fine, once you're up to speed, it's not really that hard to turn the wheel, but yeah your arms do get a workout!

[s13saru]

QUiT being pusssies... manual steering works fine... peace

[Pennyman]

No power steering here. I like the workout and the bump-steer and everything that comes with it, hehe.

[blargonator]

yeah my car does not have it either. oh and about those trucker ball things DON'T use them. i bruised the hell out of my hand driving a golf car and the wheel spun around and just took me hand out. i think my wheel only turns 2 and 1/5 lock to lock but i have yet to get the thing running and make it to a parking lot to learn about its turning radius.

[frictionfighter]

both of my cars are lacking it and they friggin turn fantastic. p/s is bogus anyways, dont need it.

[mechaniac]

no power steering in small light cars is ok. For driving and racing, you don't really need it. It's for the poosies. You get better feedback without it.

FOR DRIFTING! though it's a different matter. I once thought about getting rid of the power steering on my 240sx (note: no 240s ever came with manual steering) so I got a chance to drive one without powersteering (Lines, pump, all removed with the rack lines looped) and the sucker is a b1tch to drift. You will break your thumbs if you're not careful. SERIOUSLY.

Taking out your powersteering is different with different cars. Two of my friends drift without powersteering, one drives a 86 corolla coupe, and the other a 71 240z. Their cars use smaller tires and are so much lighter than my car.

[2years180sx]

Well I took out my dad’s car to go drifting a couple weeks ago (1988 Porsche 924S) and I knew that it had no power steering. It has something like "power-assisted steering" which doesn’t even work very well. Well anyway, I come around this turn at about 40 mph and clutch kick and floor it and go sideways. I worked as fast as I could to get the steering turned but I didn’t quite make it in time and the car’s rear wheels caught the dirt (no harm done, luckily).

I didn’t really notice the reason why I focked up until just now. It is REALLY hard to counter-steer quickly in a non-powersteering car. I don’t know if you have ever seen this in a video (an in-car video) or even don eit yourself, but basically the driver drifts around the turn and basically lets the steering wheel go and the front wheels correct themselves. I guess this is because the front wheels want to follow the road and the powersteering is making it easier for the wheel to turn so the front wheels are guided along. Because this is non-existent in a non-powersteering car I think it is a lot harder for a non-powersteering car to do this.

I am not at all saying that manual steering is bad, but it is ALOT easier to DRIFT with powersteering. Maybe its just my dad’s car’s steering, which is VERY good for racing but not so good for turning quickly, but for drifting on quick turns I think powersteering is more beneficial. Correct me if I’m wrong, I haven’t drifted any other car besides my dad’s Porsche and a Hyundai with powersteering ( E-Brakes!! ).

~Adam

[2years180sx]

I just noticed this link is exactly what i was talking about with the "automatic" steering. I guess its called "caster", i never knew that. Hmm... you learn new things everyday.

[Old Spice]

I, myself like manuel steering. Its not as numb as power steering. Its personal preferance.

[driftstar.com]

weaksauce, I thought this was a drifting site... you use your right foot to steer!

Seriously, you don't need powersteering and if you learn on a non-powersteering car, you'll be much better driver in posh, poosie, cute cars.

[nickmpower]

i took the belt off my 1991 e30 and it feels almost the same except below 5mph. Feedback is improved a lot though

[Tuner]

i took the belt off my 1991 e30 and it feels almost the same except below 5mph. Feedback is improved a lot though

I agree, I have a power rack in my car, without the pump. I just looped the lines back into the rack. So you get the quicker ratio, but manual feel