drifting issss faster

[skizdiz]

basically drifting can be quicker through very slow turns (like hairpins) or on loose surfaces where keeping your momentum and rpm's up is crucial. as an example, look at the WRC guys on tarmac stages. they ALWAYS avoid sliding the car except through very tight turns where oversteer/rotation decides exit speed.

no matter how you slice or dice it, over a length of twisty road or track, grip wins for speed. not to say drifting sucks, i love drifting, and i've seen quite a few example of guys that can keep a swift pace though the turns. drifting is also extremely exciting to do or watch. but in the end, grip gives you higher exit speeds and conserves more momentum.

[StreetR]

Tell me do you know what really drift racing is? Drifting is a skill, Drift racing is not only smoking your tires and sliding on every turn. What you people don't understand is that just because you see D1 going sideways on every turn doesn't mean you DO it on every turn. Drift racing is when you use the drift technique on tight turns and hair pins and grip on other turns. A racer has to see if the turns requires grip or drift. Now you say well Initial D racers do it on every turn well of course Initial D is a cartoon and it is glorifing drift as a skill. Now a person who knows the Drifting skill and when to use will surely beat a grip racer. Tell me how many professional drifters have you seen race these grip racers.

Also you saw drifters on videos So that means that what they always do. That drift is for Show to entertain thats why its on a video to entertain you, the racing drift is less spectacular. D1 and drifting performed on parking lots are done to make your drifts better and quicker so you can use them on the mountains. Many believe that to do a drift you approach corner, you upset the drivetrain, make your tires spin, turn you wheel go sideways and kick out your done. Wrong.

Its how you approach the turn, when, where, maintaining your speed and exit out with the same speed and angle your car to where it is appropriate exit the quickest.

[DrifterX]

no the vids i seen are underground cams recording this your saying that drift can come in at over 60mph and come out the same speed i want you to prove that to me it sounds like your a pro and can do it so get your vid cam and post the vid by the time you get at the right angle to enter the apex with drift the car griping will come right up to you bumper and then what you might get hit and go spinning or he will ride your as s and cause you to loose concentration and you will loose it yourself if drift was faster all the pro f1 nascar would be doing it but it's not or all the tire shops would carry tires that say drift because it's better, faster and safer but they don't so drift is just not fast just for show i want you to prove me that you can come in drifting a turn at over 65mph not kph and come out the same speed.

[Ghost of Duluth]

I still want to meet Sarah Fisher. Is that so hard?

[StreetR]

I'm not a pro and it is false of me say so. But if a drifter intiates a Kansei drift (high speed) drift following the "proper" line into a turn at the correct apex and rev up to keep your RPMs up the car will turn sharply into the corner, unlike grip (because if you try to do so you will spin out) keeping to the center (quickest way around the circle the inside) and the reving RPMs will make it easy to gain back the speed for a quick exit following the exit line of a late apex entry. Its all about angles and stuff.

The reason F1 doesnt do it is because they are purely about grip its hard to drift in a car that is built for hugging the ground.

[DrifterX]

(the "proper" line into a turn at the correct apex and rev up to keep your RPMs up the car will turn sharply into the corner, unlike grip (because if you try to do so you will spin out)

that makes no sense dude you are saying that Grip can't take the apex good and it can rev or it will spin out?

1st think about it common sense if you are griping and take the right apex you can rev to take off faster when you exit the turn unlike drift you have to wait until the car is back into place to be able to floor it or you will spin out

[StreetR]

You can get higher exit speeds with drifting by entering at more speed than usual. For example, You can enter an early entry apex turn and arrive faster with drifting. Having initiated the weight transfer during the drift the front end should get traction and you can move your car through the turn and have your front end, having it done right, facing the right direction giving it more time to accelerate AND using the momentum keep it going.

[P1STON2ROTARY]

Speculation doesnt account for experience. Let them think drifting is faster lol.

[driftmunky]

Originally posted by DrifterX
anyone that says that drift is faster guess what your wrong if you look closely at the drift king his not drifting in the best motoring videos it's more like a control slide

if drifting is not a controlled slide, then what is it?

Originally posted byStreetR
What you people don't understand is that just because you see D1 going sideways on every turn doesn't mean you DO it on every turn. Drift racing is when you use the drift technique on tight turns and hair pins and grip on other turns.

very well put, drifting is faster on some turns, but not all, its all about judgement thats what makes a good racer. i dont know how many of you play soccer in here, but when your just dribbling around "easy turns" (just jogging around in the midfield) your not gonna be pulling maradona spins and 5 in-a-row step overs, your just gonna keep it simple according to the situation, but when you get to the "hairpins" (one-on-one type situations) your gonna bust out your moves and smoke'em. it all depends on the situation. Also, about F1 racing, try to control a drift at 200mph. dont think its gonna happen. drifting is more for average joes that dont have carbonfiber bodies open wheeled monster cars.

Drifting is faster, yet so is grip, a good combination wins the race.

and that statement is very quotable if you like.

[ryanracer]

Originally posted by StreetR
You can get higher exit speeds with drifting by entering at more speed than usual. For example, You can enter an early entry apex turn and arrive faster with drifting. Having initiated the weight transfer during the drift the front end should get traction and you can move your car through the turn and have your front end, having it done right, facing the right direction giving it more time to accelerate AND using the momentum keep it going.

Okay,
Lets clear the confusion. Drifting is not faster period. The laws of physics, don't change from drift to grip. Why grip is faster has nothing to do with weight transfer or otherwise. Everything comes down to energy managment. You can transfer energy towards pushing you forward, or you can use that energy to break traction. period. Which one do you think is faster pushing you forward or breaking traction? Now I think street R is confusing drifting with using a late apex technique. As for why you would drift in a low speed corner: It is not "drifting" it is what we call rotating the car. What that really is, is creating a very temporary oversteer to get the car pointed quickly, but it is not drifting. You have to use this technique when you have an understeering race car. When I did the pikes peak hill climb, I was trying to keep the car as straight as possible. Why cause it's faster!! That race is on both dirt, and pavement. Now don't take this as I am bashing drifting in any sense of the word. I have fallen in love with the sport and have quit racing for drifting. It takes a tremendous amount of skill to drift and would not take anything from the D1 drivers they are trully amazing!!

My Veritech Fighter is faster than a F14 tomcat...

Late

P.S. I think Sarah is getting married soon ghost.

[DrifterX]

^(My Veritech Fighter is faster than a F14 tomcat...) LOL

as for streetr and all those people that say drift is faster i doubt they even drive the mountain roads i would like to see what happens when they try drift honestly i think they watched to much initial D i used to think that way until i got out there and drove and well you will find out when you start doing it that drift has no place anywhere but at event's and for show.

[ryanracer]

Don't get me wrong I am not trying flame anybody here. I am just rying to answer a question to the best of my ability. We all have to start somewhere and knowledge is gained by asking questions. I would never put somebody down because they don't know. I have been teaching racing for 8 years, and answered a lot of very humorous questions, but I never have put down a student for it. Everyone on this post has valid points, its just the terminology gets mixed up.

[Ghost of Duluth]

Yea Ryan, she's marrying me soon as you set us up.

I have to agree with DrifterX. No way in hell is someone gonna drift where I run. Too tight, too much traffic and i'll spank anyones fanny that tries to race me there using drift. All I would have to do is hang back and wait for them to either A, mess up and slide off the mountain. B fook up and hit the mountain, C, fook up and hit another car or motorcycle or D, skag some local fauna and wipe it. Needless to say the offer is still up to test this theory. I'll grip and you can run drift. We'll need VRD to get some of his flyboy friends ready with a medivac and a skid truck to take you to the hospital and your car to the crusher.

Drift belongs in very tight hairpin corners in rally and at events or shows. Them theres the apples.

Anyone can talk all day bout how its faster here and faster there but put the talk to the pavement and you will see the truth.

[my 1 88 u]

ok settled, grip is faster. I keep hearing people say "drifting has no place in the touge," yet isn't that were it was birthed?

[MrodDrft]

Lol not to sound dumb or anythign but in Initial D the GT-r lost because he came on boost and spun out. And in Initial D they dont drift everyturn.. atleast in my mangas, to me if u read it and use ur own imagination on how it really shud b it makes plenty of sense. Now Drifter X is just an idiot talking about going into a drift on the touge with the car perpendicular to the side of the road. Havnt u ever watched a Best Motoring vid buddy ? And if u dont shut up StreetR will keep owning jew