FF Drifting

[Vinsanity]

I was just wondering if there was anyone out there with enough "courage" to admit drifting a FWD car.

are there any "techniques" or tips anyone would like to share about FF drifting?

I do know that the key is having much more grip in the front tires than in the rears, as well as making sure your e-brake cables are in good shape. I also know that counter-steering should be kept to a minimum to avoid ruining the drift.

in specific, I was wondering if there were any ways to keep a FWD car's momentum while sliding around a corner, seeing that powersliding isn't really an option for us and pulling on the e-brake to maintain the drift angle slows the car down alot. I've tried playing with the throttle and e-brake simultaneously a couple of times, but the front wheels seem to wanna grip a lil too easily.

anyone care to comment?
thanks

[Spy001]

what are you driving? i drove a stock 98 sentra for a while and i could take that thing really sideways and maintain easy in the rain following curves, if you are going quick enough you can throw it sideways. i perfected my feint in a FF, if you can get that down then you know you can throw it sideways in a normal drifter. just keep in mind if you make thhe segue to FR then its going to be much different, a lot of people dont realize that...

[spiritofFC3s]

i used to drive a 91 mx6, i relied heavily on the entry speed into the corners to carry the car well through the turn. right before the turn i would whip the car away from the turn and then whip it into it and pull the ebrake and hold it throughout the turn. I stayed on the throttle a bit and could keep the end sliding out by continuing to whip the steering wheel. if your back end starts to slide out to much drop the ebrake quickly. and then like my swedish friend would say you yell out "das how you do it!"

[RallyGT]

Yeah, i think FF drifting is all about the engine brake. not the emergency brake. (the engine brake is letting off of the gas).
Iyou go atleast 45 then let off the gas and turn the wheel sharp, then once you are sideways push the gas down and your are still sideways, turn the wheel back the other way and just keep repeating. Thats just one of many FF tecniques out there. Use the SEARCH button and you will find a lot

[Rooney]

lighten up the rear like crazy Take out the back seats, carpet, spare, seatbelts, the things covering the speakers. And if you really want to get hardcore, take off your trunk. Then you will be throwing that back out like nothing.

[Vinsanity]

my car is a 1999 Cougar...it's a heavy sucker, but it's got like a 65F/35R weight distribution

all the stuff you guys mentioned worked really well in the rain with my car, but otherwise in the dry, the front tires simply won't be spinning that long.

I guess all it takes is a lil more practice

[RallyGT]

yep, just practice. it took me an hour or so to learn how to on dry ground

[Drift For Food]

The ability to maintain speed while sliding with a fwd car isn't really possible stock. They're not set up like they need to be to be able to have the rear end out while still under power, under power is what you would need to maintain speed around a corner. Basically, you'd have to run a major oversteer suspension setup and/or a very slippery/light rear end. Stock or even with a good grip setup you can't really drift using the throttle. Not using the throttle is what kills your speed in corners. It's also why most people don't like fwd for drifting.

I started on fwd. It's what I had. Work on braking and feint and e-brake if you've got a hand one(I didn't but good for not learning to rely on it). The most you can do is to come in fast and bleed off a lot of speed into and through the corner. Without the ability to use the throttle with a fwd setup, you're limited to pretty much braking all the way through the corner. You'll come out of the corner pretty slow too, but if you can get the slide down well and get a good fast entry, your lap times or course times or time home from work, lol, should be minimal.

To initiate a drift with fwd, throttle is almost out of the question, gas means understeer, but you may be able to squeeze some in to pull the car a little with some major steering into the corner. Instead rely on weight shifting through feinting and some braking and steering into the corner to start the drift. Work on both till you can get the car to rotate as much as you want by the exit. If done right, no countersteering will be necessary. All the rotation can be achieved through braking and feint techniques. When the rear end grabs again, you should be pointing straight down the road at the end of the exit. Vary your braking, steering, and even some throttle inputs to modify and adjust the slide. I haven't mentioned much for the e-brake yet cause I learned without it, crappy ol' foot one for me. That is still usable for you, but you should learn to realize it's not actually needed. I see the e-brake as an adjustment tool or a last resort for when you're really in a jam(major understeer and too fast, lol). It's also good for narrow spots and tight corners cause it takes little room and gets the rear end around quickly.

[mranlet]

I wouldn't say that giving throttle is "out of the question".

With some adjustable dampers set to oversteer (front set tighter than rear) or a removed/disconnected front sway bar a FWD car should have plenty of oversteer.

An important part of breaking the rear loose is to do manuvers while there is lateral G force on the car rather than right before the turn. When the car is under lateral force, a sharp engine brake could be enough to slow down the front just enough to have the rear rotate out and around. Alternatively, threshold braking before the turn to create false oversteer could swing out the rear just after a sharp turn-in, or pulling the E to lockup while in mid-corner will also cause the rear to kick out.

Once the rear is out, you can just give it all the gas you've got to keep that oversteer going and it will "pull" through the turn. A FWD car with plenty of power and oversteer dialed in (or at least crappy rear tires) shouldn't loose THAT much speed through the turn. There are some FF drivers that can keep up with most FR drivers through the turns - just as CH.

-MR

[RallyGT]

i got myself into some touge sh!t...check this out
http://www.slcstreetracing.com/forum...?TID=7647&PN=1

[truenoking8six]

Yeah i have one word for FF drifters......RICE. You're beter of griping in a FF car its defianetly alot faster. Oh in case ur wondering i do have a trueno

[mranlet]

Originally posted by truenoking8six
Yeah i have one word for FF drifters......RICE. You're beter of griping in a FF car its defianetly alot faster. Oh in case ur wondering i do have a trueno

This was NOT a good way to make an entrance.

-MR

[RallyGT]

yeah, you come in here acting like a know it all. try doin the sh!t frist, then come talk

[Vinsanity]

hey thanks...rallygt, drift for food, mranlet...good info guys

[Parry]

Originally posted by truenoking8six
Yeah i have one word for FF drifters......RICE. You're beter of griping in a FF car its defianetly alot faster. Oh in case ur wondering i do have a trueno

Hrm.

I drive an FF car. Please explain to me how this is rice.

I'm excited, I think this is going to be good...


Rallye, It apears you're touge battling some guy in your Escort after making your name on that forum Initial_D and accusing everyone in sight of being a ricer. Good job, or something...