Defining some Terms that are Tossed Around

[jboss]

There are too many people tossing around words they picked up from the internet and garbage drift videos that dont actualy know what they are or confuse them often....

Words like:

Power over
Power slide
Clutch kick
Shift lock
throttle off
LFB
Feint
Flick
Scandanavian flick
Dori
Choku dori
etc etc....

I dont know how some people think that power over or power slide have anything to do with FF drifting....

Or how anyone could possibly respect shift lock or E brake on a FR but not E-brake or feint on FF....

It must be that people dont really know what these words mean so lets spell it out and end the confusion.

Maybe make it a sticky........

[CRASHDRIVE]

http://www.driftsession.com/technique.htm

How isn't that easy?

[GRiDRaceTech]

Powerslide- An extended power-oversteer slide, sometimes not even considered drifting.

Throttle-off/lift-throttle- This one's a no brainer... you lift off the throttle to get the car to slide.

Feint/Flick/Scandinavian flick- All the same

[LexmarkX73]

double clutch

technically not drift related but 99.9% of automotive forums whore this around.

damn you vin diesel!

[GRiDRaceTech]

Double clutching goes like this:
1. clutch in
2. shift to neutral
3. clutch out
4. blip throttle
5. clutch in
6. downshift
7. clutch out

Do you see why most people just heel-toe?

[karN]

heel-toe and double clutching are entirely different.

Heel-toe was created to brake while maintaing the revs while downshifting.

Double clutching was created because trucks didnt have synchros.

[GRiDRaceTech]

Yes, they are different. And yet, they can be used to the same purpose.
We've had this discussion several times on the board so far.

By the way, you're partially wrong: heel-toe was created to match, not maintain, revs while downshifting during braking.

[Craftsman]

Originally posted by GRiDRaceTech
Yes, they are different. And yet, they can be used to the same purpose.
We've had this discussion several times on the board so far.

By the way, you're partially wrong: heel-toe was created to match, not maintain, revs while downshifting during braking.

Yep... Heel-Toe is mainly used by grip racers to prevent heavy oversteer. They are trying to avoid the surge of torque while downshifting to prevent a drift.

It's used by drifters to induce a more relaxed drift than a clutch kick or feint. For drifters, it's the weight transfer and the oversteer from throttle that induces and holds the drift...

Matt.

[f8ldzz]

Originally posted by Craftsman
Yep... Heel-Toe is mainly used by grip racers to prevent heavy oversteer. They are trying to avoid the surge of torque while downshifting to prevent a drift.

It's used by drifters to induce a more relaxed drift than a clutch kick or feint. For drifters, it's the weight transfer and the oversteer from throttle that induces and holds the drift...

Hmmm....I needed to reread this like 3 times to understand what you were trying to say...

I thought heel-and-toe is used for smoother transition from braking into cornering.
It's also used a lot for trail braking.
This also saved synchros on the downshift.
If done correctly, you don't have an abrupt weight-transfer upset of the chassis from braking to downshifting to cornering.
All of these techniques are very advanced driving techniques.

[GRiDRaceTech]

Hmmm... I needed to reread what you said like three times just to realize that you think I'm a normal peon. I'm not.

[f8ldzz]

Originally posted by GRiDRaceTech
Hmmm... I needed to reread what you said like three times just to realize that you think I'm a normal peon. I'm not.

So you're an abnormal peon?

[malcolm]

The scandinavian flick is a modified version of the feint. Basically, you feint, but hold the car in a drift using the brakes facing away from the corner as you approach the corner. Once you reach the turn-in point, let off the brakes. The weight shifts to the rear, and pitches the car in the other direction, and then you can drift through the corner as usual. This is used a LOT in loose-surface rallying, but not so much so in drifting (because points are awarded for initiating the drift facing the corner early, not away from the corner).

By the way, heel-and-toe is only for rev-matching and WILL NOT help your synchros. Only double-clutching DURING your heel-and-toe downshift will relieve the stress on the synchros.

Also, LFB/left foot braking can be used to keep the car sideways approaching a corner (either during a scandinavian flick, or just linking corners together in one, fluid drift), as well as adjusting the drift angle mid-corner. I used it a fair bit in tighter corners when I raced a turbo FC, but since moving to the Corvette C5, it doesn't seem to help. With automatics, I left foot brake all the time (not my personal car... it's the parents' car). It could also be used in a turbocharged car to keep the boost up through the corner (ie. then you could stab the throttle quickly mid-corner, which was a technique that Ayrton Senna used in the final years of Turbo F1 cars).

[shimos]

unofficial terms used in Hawaii:

Bukkake - spash / splatter, to splash / splatter. ie: "I went off road over there, now get bukkake all over my rims."

A.Y.C.E. - All You Can Eat. ie: "See the big guy, he's one AYCE driftah."

Chaku-Daris - aka Choku Doris. "Try watch me between the rails, I going bus some chaku-daris."

Hatchis - short for hachi-roku. also hatch on a hachi-roku. AE86. ie: "The hatchi get choke rust on my hatchi."

Bobs - short for "Bobura." Japanese national or someone who looks FOB Japanese. ie: "Check out those bob chicks over there, they look like the kine Japanese porno stars."

Chicken Nut Bread - the unofficial breakfast of drifters in Hawaii. ie: "If your girlfriend can't swim and you throw her in the ocean, chicken nut bread."

[nissanguy_24]

Originally posted by shimos
unofficial terms used in Hawaii:

Bukkake - spash / splatter, to splash / splatter. ie: "I went off road over there, now get bukkake all over my rims."

HAHA.. dude hawaii sounds like a hilarious place to drift.

[Ripper]

Originally posted by shimos
Chicken Nut Bread - the unofficial breakfast of drifters in Hawaii. ie: "If your girlfriend can't swim and you throw her in the ocean, chicken nut bread."

wow who taught you these terms?