Powersliding vs drifting

[foilman]

Woah, settle down there. I wasn't attacking you. I think you and I are actually in agreement, all except for the point on the word "powersliding". I, like you, grow weary of the newby people that are overly concerned with "what this means", and "is this that, or this?".

I'm fully aware of rally and the techniques and am not so smug or naive to think drifting is all of being sideways. I was well into motorsports before I got into drifting. The only spot I really disagree with you is your statement that powersliding had come to mean the same thing as drifting. I don't think people use the term "powerslide" when talking about rally in general, might talk about a powerslide here, or one there, but not generaly describe the sideways driving as powersliding as you represent here.... the terms are not exaclty interchangable.

I brought up the example of the bicycle precisely because I think people are too concerned with all the "what do you think x means" talk. It was a word that described a specific act, not some grand term that has something to be decifered.

BTW, rally will not neccessarily make you a good drifter, though I agree it would gerneraly tend to. The tarmac and gravel specialists within usually fall WAY down the ranks when they try the other surface than they are used too. I mean, that's why they are specialist, and are used only on those venues most of the time.

Still not sure you belive me? I drove at an exhibition along with another driver than had done a few rounds of pro rally last year... and when put on pavement he was too timid, and pretty much sucked. In his defense I'll say he was in an ill-suited car that did not belong to him, but other drivers that day without rally (or drifting) experience easily outdid him in that same vehicle.

Do you see now? Perhaps you still disagree with me. Either way, that's fine. Just don't be mad about it.

[Ghost of Duluth]

Xler8 alot of what you say is true and has been said numerous times before but for you to come down on foilman as retarded,find out about him first. I'm pretty sure that guy will outdrive you ANY day of the week. Outdrift, outdrive or anything to do in a car so know who you are talking to before you try to make them look like an *Censored**Censored**Censored*. Obviously you haven't watched him or his footage on this site or been to any event that he has been at. He is VERY good. Might want to check that first before inserting your foot in your mouth.

Alot of people on this site are good. Alot of people on this site don't drive and just talk. You get that wherever you go. You also have to remember that these are peoples opinions. Some may be just starting and some may not. But you can't go round calling *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*, cause some actually do drive and drive well instead of driving their parents cars and hanging out at McDonalds on Friday nights with the neon on.

But like I said alot of what you say makes alot of sense but at this point I as I am sure alot of others have little respect for you. You may not care, that's all fine and good but until you can treat others with respect I think what you say is crap.

Drifting has been round ever since the car was invented. Sure your heel/toe, scandinavian flick all that was coined by Rally racing but alot of it's been done ever since people could drive. They just call it drifting now.

[xler8]

It's all good in the neighbourhood gentlemen.

Foilman I apologise if it seemed I was attacking you, that was not my intention. Just to clarify with Ghost I said "most of you are infintantile retards", I didn't single anybody out certinally not Foilman. I am glad to hear that Foilman drives/drifts, I give a lot of respect for that, and I hope some day to meet him and see him drive. We need more actual drivers who can legitimatly talk about drifitng on ths message board, don't you think?

But like I said alot of what you say makes alot of sense but at this point I as I am sure alot of others have little respect for you. You may not care, that's all fine and good but until you can treat others with respect I think what you say is crap.

"as I am sure alot of people have little respect for you" come on Ghost, you can tell me personally that you have little respect for me but don't drag everyone else into your opinion.

Everybody lets smile and be happy here...

[foilman]

Cool. No harm, no foul.

-Tony

[raging panda]

I must say that if you are going to use Xler8's definition of powerslide being the same as drifting, then yes I was wrong to say that powersliding was somewhat of an accident. But, I guess I am somewhat with foilman in saying that they are not the same and that powersliding is somewhat of an accident. I picture the trans am cars coming around a flat corner and coming out of the corner the rear end slides out a bit because either they were going too fast or they used too much throttle, I guess that is my semi-definition of a powerslide. To call people "infiantile retards" was a little harsh, and since I was quoted, I was somewhat offended. I am not a professional driver, nor am I a good drifter/racer, but I try. I go out there and give my best shot at drifting, and right now the success rate is low, but slowly rising. I don't think you need to be such an elitist and go calling people names just because of your expanded knowledge/experience that you have.

[MrodDrft]

Dont have time to read all of ur arguing/flaming but power silde is an accidental power over

[VRDjr]

^ Why do so many of you think it has to be an accident? Somebody already said that it's pretty much identical to the power over, so what the f- is the difference? I intentionally power over on some turns, this could also be just as easily called a power slide, so even though I wanted to do that according to you it's an accident due to the technique I wanted to use? What a tool.

[sobe]

lol accident...ahahah...thats funny...do you know the meaning of accident?...or do you just want to use it because you have nothing else to say?

[MrodDrft]

i dont really care wat any of u think

[MrodDrft]

Hi, im VRDjr and im a complete idiot.

[ramoneguru]

Originally posted by MrodDrft
Hi, im VRDjr and im a complete idiot.

Nice to meet ya....Anywho is MrodDrift's summary of powersliding and drifting somewhat accurate?? Just seems like xler8 has the correct response to this one...

[fsr]

Why do everyone have to answer topics like this when they have no clue what they are talking about? This is a very simple question. What is the difference between powersliding and drifting. The answer is just as simple...

Powersliding (aka "power over" in drifting) is on of many techniques used in drifting. It's quite self explanatory as well. You initiate a slide by applying power. In drifting it's used to maintain the allready initiated drift.

And just to clear things up. Excessive drifting is not fast, but there is a huge difference between show drifting which is based on style, and race drifts that are hardly noticable. Basically a car with little grip will use race drifting to steer the car. So would a car with high grip, but it's harder as the grip limit is a lot sharper. Aslo a high grip car will slow down to much if the race drift becomes to large.

To stay on the limit with a low grip car, you will balance on the edge of drifting all the time, and use techniques that take advantadge of the low grip. To prevent understeer you will probably stay on the brakes a little while entering the corner to initiate what drifters refer to as a brake drift, allthough a very small one. Not enough to make the tires let go, but enough to strech the limit a little bit and making the rear wheels slide a little. This will initiate a rotation and help the car turn into the corner. As it's all about exit speed, rotating the car a little will allow you to get a straighter exit, maximising exit speeds. To get maximum grip while accelerating you would probably continue the drift with a little powerslide as well, balancing the rear wheels on the edge of braking loose. As tires are made from rubber, they do move on the surface, and that's the kind of drifting I'm talking about. It's like having the rear wheels an inch outside of the racing line, not several feet...

The technique described here is for FR/MR cars. A FF car is a little different as you can't - I repeat - can't powerslide when the power is applied to the front wheels. It would only create understeer, and we don't want that. So in a FF car it's slightly different. FF cars are often setup with to out in the rear to make the rear end trail around the corner, but it's a long story...

Bringing in rallying is kind of stupid, as it's different ball park. When driving on loose surfaces there are several things that are very different from tarmac. First of all, you have to rely on wheelspin to get the tyres to dig into the surface and find grip. Neither does rally drivers have the same knowledge of the roads that a curciut racer have of the track. Settng the car up a little before the turn gives them a larger margin as they have the possibility to rotate the car while braking if they are entering the corner to fast. Going in tight could create understeer, and when you are travelling at 120mph with trees on both sides, you do not want to understeer off the road...

Having said that, a lot of the "new generation" of rally drivers drift a lot less than the old school. Look at Petter and Sebastian. They both choose very smooth lines. It's faster, but more risky. But as they finished 1st and 2nd in the WRC, I guess it pays off

Fredrik

[sobe]

damn you all, just ride a friggen book or something...

[essphorteen]

not that this post needed anything else, but drifting is rarely EVER the fastest way around a tarmac curve. mostly, never.

When you drift you create friction. when you create friction, you create heat. when your tires heat up too much, they become inefficient, lose tread faster, expand. no one does it in JGTC or LeMans or any Circuit Race because it slows you down; you also waste rubber and have to make more pit stops.

its not a good idea if youre looking for the fastest way from point A to point B. granted, oversteer occurs often on most all levels of racing, but an all out d1 drift will rarely help out a driver on a time trial.

Initial D is not real life. Dont be an internet drifter.

[fsr]

It's way cooler though