Buying 240SX....

[grinder]

sorry to interrupt your spat, mates. but the 180sx c pillars, if i recall correctly, just a tad on the large side. similar to the b pillar.

it is just that the c pillars are hidden under glass that you do not notice them as much, i reckon.

but no worries, carry on!

[TJ86]

Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
If that was true, the Mini Cooper would be the best drift car ever. Your conclusions pulled form my posts are ubsurd (S14 better than a 180sx solely because of the overhang) and you could of simply pointed out my flaw by posting the numbers, instead of going to the whole trouble you went to to prove me wrong. It is that kind of elitist mentality that ruins the forum, and in the long run, the community. Everyone is learning here, drifting is new to the US.

Actually, that was the point I was trying to make. While looking at the chart I noticed that the S14 had shorter overhangs, and from your previous post wouldn't this equal an advantage? So I used it as an example. It was purposely absurd. So absurd that you would read it, think "hey, that doesn't make any sense", and hopefully undersand my point better. You probably worded it better since you included a comparison of the Mini Cooper and went in such an extreme that the "overhang advantage" couldn't be taken seriously.

Wouldn't you agree that those advantages are so minimal that only a professional D1 driver would probably notice the difference? I've owned a hatch and coupe Corolla, and have drifted a hatch and coupe 240SX, and honestly... I really can't tell the difference (other than hatches have hatch rattle). To me, the hatch vs. coupe issue just boils down to looks. I'll take whatever I can get with a Corolla (I like hatches, but my coupe grew on me), but for newer S13's where I can afford to be picky, I like coupes more.

I do think you are jumping to conclusions by calling me an elitist. If you thought my post carried a negative tone in anyway, then I apologize, but I was simply disagreeing with you. If you met me in person you would realize I am a humble person (although I do sarcastically "play arrogant" for humor's sake) and regularly staff as a stand by instructor for the beginners at Club4AG Drift Days. I'm willing to help the newbies out with basic drift technique as well as take tips from those with more experience than me (and even learn from those with less).

[J-BloodAE86]

in regards to grinder's comment, the 180sx has no real c pillars at all, if you look at the pic, what is the c pillar on most cars is actually combined with the b pillar. If you look at the two, they both have the same a pillar (where the windshield meets the side glass), they both have the same b pillar (where the door meets the body), and after that only the silvia has a c pillar, the 180sx's final pillar is the b pillar, though it is thicker than the silvia's. Thanks for the input tho mate

and as to TJ's post, i never said the overhangs made a huge difference, or even a big difference, it barely makes any difference at all, i was just saying that when the cars are pretty much exactly the same (like the 180 and silvia) the deciding tie-breaker might be overhang, though it wouldn't be for me (even if the 180 had 3 cm of overhang, id take the silvia). Yes maybe i read to much into your post to feel a negative tone, but you have to realize, i just spent the last few posts "discussing" things with S14silvia, so you can see how people going to great lengths just to prove me wrong pisses me off. I also respect that you help out with the drift days, i think they are a great help to drifting community, giving us a place to play

[Transient]

C-Pillars

Hey J-Blood. Have you ever sat in a S13 fastback?

[Transient]

OMFG! C-Pillar!

[Transient]

This is the view that all drifters see while drifting...Right.

[J-BloodAE86]

lol, i have sat in a fastback, but i guess i didn't take a gander backwards. The only silvias i've actually driven drift were a onevia and a kouki s14. The onevia had so-so rearward visibilty, and i just assumed the hatch had better due to no c pillars, which, i guess was pretty fuggen incorrect. lol, my bad

[Silvia S14]

You're backpeddling like a hooligan.. That's a sure sign of OWNAGE.

[boro240]

Re: Re: Ok

Originally posted by Silvia S14
blah blah blah....If you're not 100% sure that you're correct, don't open your month....blah blah blah..

Originally posted by Silvia S14
S13 240SX SE- 1989-1990 - KA24E
RS13 240SX SE - 1989 - 1990 - KA24E

89-90 were HS13 and RHS13. also, you left out K-, which designated Super HICAS.

OHHHH!!! WHOS THE MAN NOW *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*!!!

lol, seriously. calm down and stop taking everything soo seriously. youre not the drift/nissan/240 god (obviously). this thread is FULL of missinformation and stupidity, but instead of getting mad at people, point them in the right direction. lashing out doesnt make you a cool guy, it makes you a *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* who thinks hes the man (from behind a computer screen).

[Transient]

If you know stuff, good. Let people know. If you don't know what you're talking about, there's nothing wrong with that. It's when people that don't know anything act like they do that I get pissed.

[Chas]

good info

[gundamzeta]

i'm just scanning through this thread, and I couldn't bare to read through it all, but it seems like most of you guys don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Especailly this J-bloodae86 guy who nearly blasted me in another thread because I posted correct information.


ALL OF KOGUCHI'S cars were turbo, and not a single one of them ever had a Ca18DET. The 180sx blacktop ( the engine it had until it was discontinued in 1998 (i think) had the same head design as a S13 red-top; it just has a black valve cover.

there are differences in the head design between the S13,S14 and S15 engines.

The s14 and S15 have nissan varible valve timing, but it's no where as sophisticated as VTEC or VVT-i. They also have different stock turbines



I had an CA18det, and the engine, IMHO,is superior to the SR20DET and I suspect the lower tech SR20DET was introduced because of cost, and Nissan just added the .2 lt to make up for the difference.




to answer the intial poster's question.

If you plan on modded these very old cars, I wouldn't worry about one thing. Just get a hard top. If you plan on buying an S13, Look for rust underneath the spoiler. I hear that a lot of people have had a problem with that.

I garauntee that the shocks, bushings and nearly all the suspension assembly will be wasted on any used S13 unless you're buying a car from a 240sx fanatic.

Also, if you're buying the car for drifting, you absolutely MUST upgrade the suspension! Everything must eventually upgraded! Not just Tien HE struts! So, don't even worry about the suspension's current condition. Just replace whatever you can and fairly promptly. Bodyroll makes drifting very scary and uncomfortable, atleast for me.

Generally just approach the car the way would for any used car!

[eFINI_FC]

Wouldnt it be nice to have actual D-1 racers in here? just so stuff could really be cleared up?
I'm not into Nissans, but if I was, and tried to get info offa here, I'd bo so F'ing confused. EVERYONE SAYS THIER RIGHT!! with just text, its hard to belive anyone!


If people could actually communicate, you might find out that you were wrong, or maybe right. Quit bickerin', all of us are drifters (hopefully) and should be setting ourselves apart from this sh it, leave that sh it at home, dayum!

[Spec]

Originally posted by eFINI_FC
[B]Wouldnt it be nice to have actual D-1 racers in here? just so stuff could really be cleared up?
I'm not into Nissans, but if I was, and tried to get info offa here, I'd bo so F'ing confused. EVERYONE SAYS THIER RIGHT!! with just text, its hard to belive anyone!

True man, I fully agree! Why dont you people post links on your info like I do. That's why flamming never happens in my threads. Facts proven by links cant be refuted.

all of us are drifters (hopefully)

ROTFLMAO!!! Man, I think this site is the most noobish drift place I've seen so far on the net. Put aside some exceptions, noobs rule the place and exchange all kinds of false info. That's why I dont post so much as I use to. I dont even want to try and convice a noob that he IS a noob and that maybe, JUST MAYBE it is possible that some people might know more about cars and drifting then him.

Posters are such noobs here that they cant even keep it civilized. They HAVE to be right no matter what and cant be taught stuff.
On the old forum, I had a discussion about superchargers with crazyHawain and some other posters. They all thought I was wrong until I just posted a link to show what I was talking about. But you see, never the thread became a flame fest (although I did become irritated at some point, without throwing any insults of course) and all we did was exchange info on what and what not and it finished nicely.

The only posters I take seriously here (Not to offend anyothers that I dont know) are Crazy Hawain, DriftXtreem and Chas. The're the only ones that dont try to piss farther than anyone and know their sh*t for real. And if they dont, they wont mind admitting they were wrong.

That's how I like it.

But with noobs that think they know every god damn thing, it is very hard to have constructive conversations. It's all about: Hey, I'm a sheep, tell me what car I should buy!" or whatever.

Sadening.

Spec.

['97 S14 SE Turb]

Re: EH?

Originally posted by EvilEwok
S13s never had a blacktop, they always had redtops.

You are simply sooo wrong... technically, and even figuratively.


S13, when using the chassis code, means it's the '88-'90 Coupe chassis with the CA18DE/T engine

PS13 means it's the '91-'93 Coupe chassis with the SR20DE/T engine. The turbo version has the red valve cover, hence, red top.

RS13, is the '89-'90 Fastback chassis with the CA18DET engine. The 180SX came only turbocharged.

RPS13 is the '91-'98 fastback chassis. From '91-'94, the SR20DET uses the red valvecover, hence redtop. From '95-'98, it has the black valve cover. It's not the same configuration as the Black valve cover SR20DET found in the S14 and S15 Silvia. It's simply an updated version of the redtop SR20DET. Only rated at 205ps.