Formula D Judging...

[Mike Peters]

i think everyone needs to look at alex/yukio's posts and understand them.

the judges and the camras show two different things many many many times.

[RobbyStyle]

i agree with 95% of whats been said so far. and i also realize how much of a load on the judges shoulders it is to have the outcome of an event in your hands. im sure its stressful, especially with how close the series was this year.
i do think that spreading the judges out amongst the course or continuing to utilize spotters at the clipping points is a good idea.

but i've been curious, are there any limits/restrictions as to how much your car should weigh and does your power output need to be relative to that?
i know the 86's hold their own, and i know the bigger power cars are heavier, but im just curious as to what guidelines the teams have to go by when building a FD car.
because alot of my questioning has revolved around the fact that a car won simply because it hauled *Censored**Censored**Censored* through a transition but didnt hardly smoke. then that particular car is awarded more points for increasing the gap... it just throws me for a loop.

[my 1 88 u]

I've been to every Road Atlanta event and seen every round on tv. I may disagree with a few calls but nothing I would call biased like D1. One thing I would like to see is more passing allowed and more enfaces on angle over speed. Tyler may have been faster in NJ but Forsberg was turning that thing backwards.

[RobbyStyle]

agreed. same w the solstice. and i like both rhys and tyler, but angle and smoke really make a run stand out.

as for the passing thing. yes and no. i mean, if the opportunity is just thrown out there and the doors wide open to pass and, only then, if passing is the only way to maintain good speed, line, and angle, then i think passing would be okay. but where do you draw the line? i know of a few drivers off the top of my head that i consider way more aggressive than the others in FD and i could see them justifying a pass WAY before it was truly needed.
i honestly think encouraging or even permitting passing would, in a sense, make things even more complicated and more "racey". afterall, its not a race.

i cant sit here and tell you its not like i dont jump up and flip out when someone does pass. its one of the sickest things to see in a heated tandem round.

[Bebop]

One thing I would like to see is more passing allowed and more enfaces on angle over speed.

Angle over Speed all day!

[Al]

www.formulad.com just announce that they have fired all three judges after you made this thread.

They are going to hire people from the internet that knows everything about drifting behind the monitor.

And Alex Phffeeirreerrr announce that he will be one of the new judge in D1.

-Al

[RobbyStyle]

finally, someone says something irrational.

im just glad at least one ignorant person chimed in on this thread.

for a while there, i got nervous only intelligent people would post.

[BenR]

It really is the inherent flaw with a sport that decides a winner through judging. With drag racing, Formula 1, or . . . pretty much any other motorsport, the winner is simply whoever has the fastest time or gets to the finish line first. Officials are only called to make decisions if someone breaks or comes close to breaking a rule. However, when you have human officials judging a run and taking things like "overall impression" into account for their scores, there's always going to be someone questioning the decision.

Racing is not always about who gets to the end the fastest. If you follow F1 you'd know there is constant drama about how the FIA "judges" a wide variety of things before during and after each race. For example the Hamilton, Vettel, Webber incident at Fuji this year. In SCCA club racing for there is and will always be drama about what is an acceptable "trunk kit" and what constitutes a valid model of vehicle. In autocross trophy positions are often traded based on protests and rulings of the SEB.

I'm actually surprised at how little drama there is in FD.

[RobbyStyle]

I'm actually surprised at how little drama there is in FD.

its because its such a young sport. it will eventually catch up with it. just like last year @ sonoma when ken gushi's team challenged the call of him losing to hubinette, an in my opinion, gushi had it. more situations like that will start coming up, especially if drivers start having the same attitude rhys millen had at jersey.

its just how judged events go i guess.

[BenR]

its just how judged events go i guess.

My point is that every form of motorsport has judging and controversy no matter how clear cut it seems on the surface. The judging aspect is just more up front and visible in drifting.

[ReDc0aT]

half the time its BS and thats just how it is.

only rule i dont approve of is the only 1 more time rule. it takes all the excitement out of it. its a professional racing series and featured on ESPN! and for the cars that can afford to go to each event have to complain about only lasting for one "one more time"... go home. or lose on purpose. cause i know if i was up against a top driver and i earned that one more time and it was even again, i would kill someone, because the judges will give it to the more known car/driver/big money.

as for the show! it needs in-board cameras every run. that will help with judging and for feeling the power and excitement on TV.

[RobbyStyle]

half the time its BS and thats just how it is.

only rule i dont approve of is the only 1 more time rule. it takes all the excitement out of it. its a professional racing series and featured on ESPN! and for the cars that can afford to go to each event have to complain about only lasting for one "one more time"... go home. or lose on purpose. cause i know if i was up against a top driver and i earned that one more time and it was even again, i would kill someone, because the judges will give it to the more known car/driver/big money.

as for the show! it needs in-board cameras every run. that will help with judging and for feeling the power and excitement on TV.

agreed on everything EXCEPT the one more time. that makes the event even more intense, and i have to admit, they dont always give it to the more popular driver. chris cook, 2007 FD rookie, straight up dominated sam hubinette in jersey in a one more time. i was there, and went absolutely crazy when he smoked that charger out. as hubinette's team mate, and a new comer trying to make a name for himself, i was so surprised and happy to see cook awarded with the well deserved win.
BUT irwindale season closer, ryuji miki and foust got paired up and it was a legitimate one more time. however in the one more time round, miki really outdid foust in every criteria at one point or another. it just wasnt even close. i watched it a couple of days ago on ESPN2 w 2 friends of mine. true story. one had no clue what drifting was, and the other was a huge fan whos been into the sport for a while now. both of them, along w myself, agreed miki outdrove foust. BUT ask the majority of people in attendance at an FD event who Ryuji Miki is, no one will have a clue. who's tanner foust? the stunt driver in the fast and furious, the x games champ, the yellow car dude that may win the championship. all thats great, and tanner deserved all of that, but he did not deserve the win against Miki and had it been judged that way, the ENTIRE season's standings would have been different.

sadly, the one more time has gone both ways. i'm not sure at all, and someone correct me if im wrong, but i thought they used to permit more than one one more time. i think thats kinda cool, but thats just me loving it when its literally just too close to call even after the first sudden death. i mean, one of the two drivers has to crack eventually. i say first blood.

AND AS ANOTHER REMINDER, IM NOT IN ANYWAY AGAINST FORMULA D NOR DO I THINK THE JUDGES ARE "BAD" AT THEIR JOBS, I HAVE JUST GOTTEN SO INVOLVED AND IN LOVE WITH THE SERIES, I HAVE ALOT OF QUESTIONS AND OPINIONS CONCERNING IT. IT IS AN INCREDIBLE ESTABLISHMENT AND DRIFTING IN AMERICA WOULD NOT BE 1/4 OF WHAT IT IS W/OUT JIM, RYAN, AND ALL THE JUDGES.

[Mike Peters]

honestly...with the awesome judging panel we have now.... i think *maybe* drop the just 1 one more time thing. alex/andy are awesome, and know exactly what they are looking at, and they've trained ken to do it as well, and honestly i think 5 minute discussion after 1st one more time, and if there is any discussion still send the again. this way you've got a time limit to make a decision, and if theres doubt enough to still be tlaking about it just send em again.

i do think that there needs to be a formula for attrition though. or all the formula d cars shoudl be subjected to manjii'ng a drag strip on an episode of blow it up to pass technical inspection. it would elimnate jalopy's like mike peters cars saving everyone a headache.

[RobbyStyle]

it would elimnate jalopy's like mike peters cars saving everyone a headache.

seriously... i mean how reliable does he think a GM V8 is? the dude probably cant even spell jalopy.

er, wait...

[Slapshotnerd]

You know, I was watching some basketball today, and the refs called a 'blocking' foul against a player who 'blocked' one of the superstars from dunking on him at the basketball. The commentators talked about how it was CLEARLY a charging violation, but because he was a big star, he'll get that call every single time, and how the refs 'clearly' were too caught up in the play.

....

.... sounds like the same type of discussion that is going on here.