Formula D Judging...

[kidynomite]

Too much whining, what FD needs is better looking flag girls...

[Bebop]

Too much whining, what FD needs is better looking flag girls...

huh... i dont know about you but those flag girls kinda kill it

we all talk about FD being more professional yet ask for better looking flag girls

[P.Haire]

the flag girl for atlanta was smoking hot

[RobbyStyle]

i think they should get the dude from PINKS

[Mike Peters]

lose the drift lose your ride.....i like it.

[AlexPfeiffer]

Why do all drag racers shave thier heads? I noticed that years ago when the import drags where popular. Half of them had no hair?

[Its_just_Yukio]

Why do all drag racers shave thier heads? I noticed that years ago when the import drags where popular. Half of them had no hair?

Because they were balding or had receding hairlines.

[hachiroku-fc3s]

I just want to know why you keep mentioning smoke.

I know I've been out of the scene for a while. I started drifting in '01 when I was introduced to it by an auto-x buddy of mine, but I just got out of the military and while I was in didn't have any time to be an active participant, but since when has smoke been judging criteria? Smoke is a byproduct, it doesn't mean you're driving better.

So what does that have to do with the judges decisions?

[RobbyStyle]

smoke isnt a part of the judging criteria. it only adds to the overall impression left by the drivers run, which IS something the judges look for.

this is a judged competition, which i know you already knew, and the more of an impact a driver leaves on the crowd and, more importantly, the judges, the higher he scores.

maybe you misunderstood. no one ever mentioned smoke as being something the drivers were judged on. if that were the case, theres quite a few 86's and S chassis cars that wouldnt stand a chance in pro competition.

[RobbyStyle]

Why do all drag racers shave thier heads? I noticed that years ago when the import drags where popular. Half of them had no hair?

haha... first thing that came to my mind... Steph Papadakis. i dont think ive ever seen him w hair.

lisa kubo should shave her head, you know, to fit in.

[hachiroku-fc3s]

smoke isnt a part of the judging criteria. it only adds to the overall impression left by the drivers run, which IS something the judges look for.

says who? I don't know, maybe it's just me, and it's true, I don't agree with 95% of what is said on this board anymore.

I'm old school I guess, back when drifting wasn't the cool thing, and every noob didn't have to have a dedicated race car in order to get into it.

But I judge drifting on talent, not smoke. You mentioned smoke in your first 3 posts in this thread and then again when you said Chris "smoked out" Sam. Apparently smoke does something for you, but not me. I mean, I am impressed when smoke envelopes the trailing car in tandem, but I'm more impressed that the trailing driver can hold it together in diminished visibility. Smoke doesn't equal talent whatsoever.

Again, I'm not a judge for D1/FD, nor have I met any personally, but I don't think anybody who's been in this sport for a while would be impressed by a burnout I trust the judges feel the same, from what I've seen, none of them are the type to be distracted by a quarter on the track because it's shiny. I trust they deliberate based on skill, and like it's been mentioned, it's an opinion that can always be questioned or bs-ed away, but I trust the vets, from what I've seen it's the kids that make the big deal about it, and take a quick look around your forum, a lot of them don't even know what drifting is. They think as long as a car is going sideways it's drifting.

[RobbyStyle]

says who? I don't know, maybe it's just me, and it's true, I don't agree with 95% of what is said on this board anymore.

I'm old school I guess, back when drifting wasn't the cool thing, and every noob didn't have to have a dedicated race car in order to get into it.

But I judge drifting on talent, not smoke. You mentioned smoke in your first 3 posts in this thread and then again when you said Chris "smoked out" Sam. Apparently smoke does something for you, but not me. I mean, I am impressed when smoke envelopes the trailing car in tandem, but I'm more impressed that the trailing driver can hold it together in diminished visibility. Smoke doesn't equal talent whatsoever.

Again, I'm not a judge for D1/FD, nor have I met any personally, but I don't think anybody who's been in this sport for a while would be impressed by a burnout I trust the judges feel the same, from what I've seen, none of them are the type to be distracted by a quarter on the track because it's shiny. I trust they deliberate based on skill, and like it's been mentioned, it's an opinion that can always be questioned or bs-ed away, but I trust the vets, from what I've seen it's the kids that make the big deal about it, and take a quick look around your forum, a lot of them don't even know what drifting is. They think as long as a car is going sideways it's drifting.

says who? says Formula D. The establishment that this entire threads about. Says Jared DeAnda at every single Formula D event. Says www.formulad.com. Plenty of stuff relative to FD clearly states overall impact is something the drivers are judged on.

I mentioned smoke in my first three posts, along with other posts, mainly for one reason. because the more there is, the better. the judges may not be impressed w a burnout? im pretty sure no one on this thread would be very impressed w just a burnout. thats why burnouts are 100% irrelevant to this thread. the only almost-intelligent thing you posted is that smoke does not equal talent. which, even then, isn't completely true. more angle in a higher gear results in more wheel spin thus creating more smoke. however, the car's chances of spinning out increase with the increased wheel spin in turn bringing us to the conclusion that in some circumstances, smoke might equal talent.

noob's DON'T have to have a "dedicated" racecar to get into it. hell, pro drivers dont have to have that. most FD cars aren't far at all from being street-legal, and there have been many competitors in FD that have been driving street legal cars. NOPI and other series have the majority of their fields over half full of street legal and daily driven cars.

if you dont agree with 95% of whats said on this board, why post? are you on a mission to convert everyone else on here over to your "old school" ways?

[hachiroku-fc3s]

formula D states that more smoke adds to the overall impression of the driver's run?

"the more there is the better"......to you. You act like the judges just sit up there and clap like monkeys when they see smoke.

OR....smoke just means more weight on wider, softer tires. This truly would be a ridiculous sport if it was just to create smoke. See that's what has seemed to change in this sport. It used to be about control. Now its just who can put on the better show.

Why stick around? To educate those who want to be learn. That's it. I moderate on DC and help out here when I can(as well as Zilvia, Nico, etc). I'm not gunna "let those retarded noobs at Drifting.com have their fanboi fun". I'm here for the good of the sport and those who legitimately want to get involved.

[RobbyStyle]

FD never stated smoke was part of overall impact. Its evident though, and it shows a higher level of skill due to the fact they have power to turn over wider tires, which are no softer than the vast majority of the tires used in any drift series be it pro or amature, at such high speeds. if that weren't true, amature events, which im just as much a fan of, would be smokier. and i never made any statement that gave anyone a reason to think i thought the judges were... clapping monkeys.

i respect what you do, thats fine. but it all comes back to the same thing, no matter what forum you go to, drifting.com, dc, zilvia, or even car specific forums, every thread is based strictly on one persons opinion and the desire to discuss it. some people only like to argue and stir *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* up. thats fine too. but it gets old trying to have an intelligent discussion when flamers come in and try to hi-jack the thread.

your opinion was valid, but almost irrelevant. youre not teaching anyone on this thread anything, so it'd probably be best if you stick to your preferred forums or at least not come in to this one and just bash. seems sorta immature.

id honestly like to just get back to the subject this thread was created for. it was going so well...

[hachiroku-fc3s]

FD never stated smoke was part of overall impact. Its evident though, and it shows a higher level of skill due to the fact they have power to turn over wider tires

So....having a more powerful engine makes you a better driver. Got it. But really I'm not following the logic behind your smokier amateur point.

I don't think I came to be argumentative, I opened with a question. Then it got answered and I stated my opinion. So, you're right, I wasn't teaching, in this case I was clarifying then sharing my opinion, which is funny. That means we were on topic! I explained why I supported the judges and thought that your thinking the judges are wrong is really just ignorance of what is being judged. That's on topic.

As far as the clapping monkeys, I just think it is funny that you base your argument for the topic of this thread (repeatedly) on the fact that the loser was smokier, and therefore, shouldn't have lost. The judges must suck at what they do, cuz they can't even see all that smoke. If they could see that smoke, they would know they made the wrong call. I mean, LOOK AT THAT SMOKE, THAT MEANS HE'S BETTER.

Honestly, I'm sorry if I went overboard in my explanations. I said most of this in jest. I'm a good-natured guy. But like you said, this is opinion (at least in this thread, because as far as forums are concerned, more often than not, it's about physics and experience). My observation (after clarification) was that your disagreeing with the judges (though they are as fallible as the rest of us) may be a result of your not understanding fully what is being judged (to repeat myself).

But I don't think you incompetent, nor am I saying you're a 16 yr old, civic-driving, fanboi, not my intention. You definitely have a grasp of what you are talking about, just thought I'd throw the smoke thing out there. Guess it wasn't taken to well. Sorry to put you on the defensive.