S13 Flips at HIN Nightshift Phoenix

[sweetcarz02]

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This is nuts. Look how unsafe all of these people are placed right here on the k-rail. Luckily everyone was alright.

[slideways2004]

they aren't "placed" there. and it looks like they are media or staff. the actual spectators are behind the fence

[sweetcarz02]

they aren't "placed" there. and it looks like they are media or staff. the actual spectators are behind the fence

how does that make it any better for them to be in a high impact zone of that nature? Who said they were placed there. Are the lives and safety of your staff and the media not of a company's concern?

[Brian]

Dude, Joey.

I'm all about that style.
Danger style drift

JDM.



I remember the first Drift Showoff out here was like that.... pretty sure it was anyways.

I bet it is so badass to get glass and debris all over you.



One time at Irwindale, that old orange R33 gts (i think driven by a hawaiian guy) crashed head on into the wall right in front of me. It was sick.

I picked up some broken pieces of intercooler piping. This was a media day, so I made sure to get real close.


DRIFT.



drift into danger please.

quote me.

[slideways2004]

how does that make it any better for them to be in a high impact zone of that nature? Who said they were placed there. Are the lives and safety of your staff and the media not of a company's concern?

in your first post it says they are "placed" there. and my point was that b/c they are staff and media, that is why they are so close to the rails. I'm not saying that their lives and safety should be compromised b/c they are staff and media

[sweetcarz02]

in your first post it says they are "placed" there. and my point was that b/c they are staff and media, that is why they are so close to the rails. I'm not saying that their lives and safety should be compromised b/c they are staff and media

Right but they were still placed at that location. I've done media for NASCAR, ALMS, HIN, X-Games, D1, you name it.....and guess what? At every event you are told where you can stand that is safe. Granted we are not talking about some safety guarantee here as your at a race track but the whole thing just seems a tad foolish from my perspective. Somehow I don't see a "safe zone" or cold area right on a k-rail where a car managed to fly into and flip over. The organization should be placing these staff/media/people in a safe location from the event. If you don't have a course that has some slow/inside turn areas (like say your course is just an open square) then you need to do a double k-rail or provide a gap for people to stand behind.

I have been at a Drifting event where a media person was hit and seriously injured and I just cannot seem to take the issue of safety this lightly. Another photographer I apprenticed had his career ended when he was hit by a F1 car. All I am saying is that they were clearly not told to be in the right areas or the proper safety was not placed. Maybe I am just getting old but somehow watching people almost get hit by a S13 doesn't seem to be that exciting and more on the dangerous side.

[deadpirate]

its a friggin demo...cars flipping over dosent happen at demos..until now...media is always is a semi dangerous location..its the nature of the game..its how media gets paid...

we dont get paid by getting shots from the grandstads...we get paid for those shots right NEXT to the cars

[J.Herron]

I agree with you 110% Joey.

Although, I've never been to a demo, I've always been under the impression that media can shoot from wherever around the boxed in demo area.

Again, I've never been to or filmed a demo, so I'm not really sure if that is truly the case.

But that video is pretty nuts. That one guy almost gets SMASHED.


Speaking of demos...does anyone know whats going on with SEMA? If there is a demo this year, how do you go about getting "media" access for it?

[slideways2004]

Right but they were still placed at that location. I've done media for NASCAR, ALMS, HIN, X-Games, D1, you name it.....and guess what? At every event you are told where you can stand that is safe. Granted we are not talking about some safety guarantee here as your at a race track but the whole thing just seems a tad foolish from my perspective. Somehow I don't see a "safe zone" or cold area right on a k-rail where a car managed to fly into and flip over. The organization should be placing these staff/media/people in a safe location from the event. If you don't have a course that has some slow/inside turn areas (like say your course is just an open square) then you need to do a double k-rail or provide a gap for people to stand behind.

I have been at a Drifting event where a media person was hit and seriously injured and I just cannot seem to take the issue of safety this lightly. Another photographer I apprenticed had his career ended when he was hit by a F1 car. All I am saying is that they were clearly not told to be in the right areas or the proper safety was not placed. Maybe I am just getting old but somehow watching people almost get hit by a S13 doesn't seem to be that exciting and more on the dangerous side.

i understand exactly what you are saying. I'm not taking their side or anything. The sad thing is it takes an occurance like this or even worse for some changes to be made in terms of safety

[MonkeySlide]

There are lots of dangerous jobs out there but they all also come with proper and thoughtful safety pre-cautions. Cops wear bullet proof vests, Construction workers on high rise buildings wear safety harnesses, drifters have roll cages and wear fire resistant suits.

What do photographers have? All we have is preceved "safe" areas to go that are REASONABLY close to the action to get shots that couldn't be had anywhere else.

Any competant course organizer would create photo zones that are close but adiquately safe given the circumstances. When was the last time you saw that close of a call happen at a Formula D event...or heck even a D1GP event?

Everytime something like this happens its at some grassroots thing or a poorly organized "demo".

Just because they sign waivers doesn't mean that organizers shouldn't take extra steps nessasary to keep media safe.

[ontrack]

Any competant course organizer would create photo zones that are close but adiquately safe given the circumstances. When was the last time you saw that close of a call happen at a Formula D event...or heck even a D1GP event?

Last year Formula D Sonoma actually. Calvin Wan plowed tail first at near full speed into, damn near through, a double K-rail which slammed into the scaffolding set up for the photographers. Mind you the K-rails were two feet apart and the scaffolding was at least another 2-3 feet past the inner-most K-rail. So yeah, it does happen even in the proffesional world. It just may not be as common.

[Mars]

Me personally when I sign that waiver, I see it as my responsibility to myself no one else after that point. There are some photographers that try and push the closeness at times and IMO thats their deal. If you've done enough events you know what to do and what not to do before even showing up. In all honesty, there does need to be a re-design in k-rails when it comes to motorsport events since they do have a tendency at times to ramp a car over or a double k rail setup with a foot or two between them

[rainslicked]

When was the last time you saw that close of a call happen at a Formula D event...or heck even a D1GP event?

when i was in formula d long beach this year?

i was using a 10mm lens if you know anything about photography you know who close you have to get for these pictures.

this was the last run at the competition.

i was against the barrier and the barrier and me were shoved back upon impact.

[AndyFD]

when i was in formula d long beach this year?

i was using a 10mm lens if you know anything about photography you know who close you have to get for these pictures.

this was the last run at the competition.

i was against the barrier and the barrier and me were shoved back upon impact.

Formula D has everyone that has hot access has to sign a waiver before they get their hot access credentials. Anyone that has a Formula D hard card also gets additional insurance in case they get hurt.

[Mars]

You're not supposed to be up against the k rails anyway. This is brought up every year at the IRL safety meetings for the St Pete Grand Prix. No camera gear either is supposed to be placed on the wall