FOXY FOUST SCION TC Legal?

[courantcom]

...so back to the subject, sorta. If Toyota made a RWD Scion, would people buy it?

[rtype16]

I think people are blowing this out of proportion here on the rear subframe. FD was around for the build of the car. They knew what was in the car and has known all year. Kinda funny how this now comes up after a win.

Funny thing is okay get rid of the rear subframe in the car. Okay fine quick change rear end gets fabbed into car. Now if I was competing against him I would rather them not have a quick change.

[courantcom]

I think people are blowing this out of proportion here on the rear subframe. FD was around for the build of the car. They knew what was in the car and has known all year. Kinda funny how this now comes up after a win.

Funny thing is okay get rid of the rear subframe in the car. Okay fine quick change rear end gets fabbed into car. Now if I was competing against him I would rather them not have a quick change.

Competitors only get scared when your entry has a chance to knock them out of competition. It's normal and expected behavior. It's up to the sanctioning body to lay down the law. You mentioned that FD was around for the build of the car. I believe that to be true. Therefore, everything on that car should be absolutely LEGAL. End of story, right?

[rtype16]

The car should be legal, but of course things can change. They were involved in the whole build of the car. They looked at specific things and were asked about everything along the way. Sometimes they would come down, sometimes they would ask for pictures of things in question. Not sure why this is now a problem. Of course people get scared when cars start to do better in the series, but with two events left to go. Its going to take a lot for tanner to get top three, but hey anything can happen.

And back to the other subject. Yes I do think people will buy a rear wheel drive scion. One its kinda still a Toyota no one really makes an affordable rear wheel drive car someone would like to be seen in. Sorry Miata guys. The Genesis although a Hyundai is getting some good play for being a decent affordable rear wheel drive car.

[AE86_Fan]

wonders why Formula D hasnt jumped on here and cleared everything up ? Jim / Ryan your thoughts ??????

[rtype16]

Because they are probably up in Sonoma already for the event.

[Jonnie Fraz]

Well I have a couple of little tidbits to add to this little discussion.
One.. If a rule is in play it should apply to all the teams and drivers no matter who you are. Last year FD slammed Takatori pretty bad on the Auto Bacs R34, but there were cars that were allowed to run with more modification than his.
Two..Even if FD was informed about the build of Tanners car, they may not have seen the violation. In other forms of motorsports somtimes tech takes a lot longer than what the guys in FD go through.
Three..I doubt that the rear subframe is the only violation with that car. I believe that at one time in the rules you could not cut the firewall. If this is still in play how do you fit a NASCAR V8 behind the shock towers in a Scion without cutting the firewall?
Four...It is always about the money! I do not have a problem with drifting becoming commercialised, to an extent. I have said this before. I love drifting! I love the fact that almost all the drivers are very approachable, More than happy to talk to you one on one, Will come to local grassroots events and drive with the amateurs and help them with there drifting. I would hate to see drifting turn into a bunch of pretencious pricks hidding in there trailers behind velvet ropes until such time as they run there spec car on the course.
Where does this leave us...I don't know. I do know this unless there is money to be made on drifting it will back to an outlaw sport on the streets more so than it is right now.

[fast-datsun]

I think we should ASSUME the car is legal. FD spent more time inspecting there car than they did all others at pre-season inspection. The car was on the lift and inspected from top to bottom. It was reported that the sub frame was from a Supra the next day and FD must have know about it at least at that time.. Rule state that FD has option to make or mod rule as necessary. Many new car have had thing that were outside the written rule, but ok'd before hand. I think it puts smaller less funded teams at a disavantage, but the option is open to all who want to try something new....

[OldSkool510]

...so back to the subject, sorta. If Toyota made a RWD Scion, would people buy it?

Do you really think the demographics Toyota targets with the SCION really cares whether its FWD or RWD? I don't think so. Most people buy into the Scions because of its affordability.

[Bebop]

Do you really think the demographics Toyota targets with the SCION really cares whether its FWD or RWD? I don't think so. Most people buy into the Scions because of its affordability.

So its kinda oxymoronic for them to be in formula D right.

If this is so why doesn't VW have a rwd GTI in the series

Why doesn't ford have one of those nifty RWD fiestas in the field yet.

Where is nissan?

Where is kias hamster box?

[Slapshotnerd]

So its kinda oxymoronic for them to be in formula D right.

If this is so why doesn't VW have a rwd GTI in the series

Why doesn't ford have one of those nifty RWD fiestas in the field yet.

Where is nissan?

Where is kias hamster box?

kia - do they have any AWD cars? i'm not familiar with their lineup... I don't see Kia spending that type of money on marketing.

Nissan - hello 350z's? 240's? They really don't need to do much... although I hear there are a few teams trying to get 370's, but they don't need to create monsters, the teams are doing it themselves.

VW - those RWD GTI's are too busy being used on the set of FF5 again, i don't think they care much about the drifting crowd.

Fiestas - Ford has a few Mustang's in the crowd, but I wouldn't be surprised if a Fiesta comes around. The X-games cars were already pretty much built (thru WRC), and the exposure from the X-games far outweighs drifting right now. But I wouldn't be surprised if we see one in the next 2-3 years. Once the car is released to the masses here, I think Ford may consider FD, especially with how much they have supported Gushi and now JR

[Bebop]

I don't think you got the point...

Do you really think the demographics Toyota targets with the SCION really cares whether its FWD or RWD? I don't think so. Most people buy into the Scions because of its affordability.

We are talking about eco fwd car being converted in into drift cars, scion is the only company doing it.

[OldSkool510]

From a business standpoint, TOYOTA is exploiting the target audience of drifting like a mother&%**$# with the Scion. It's demographics are probably very similar....

SCION is such a major player in Formula D that they had to find a way to get their FWD (wannabe RWD) TC in there somewhere.

It doesn't make economic sense for any manufacturer to convert any of their FWD cars just to be able to participate in drifting....I don't think designers take into account a cars' driftability when designing cars.....They're more into a vehicle's sell-ability.

[Sakesoba]

I'm a fan of the Foust. But i.m.o, the Scion TC is being misrepresented. I feel bad for any new/current TC owners who think that their current fwd setup is drift ready

[wrxwagon]

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