(ADDRESSING RUMORS) ASD 2013 Season

[Bebop]

Hey FD! Glad to see you guys only show up when I'm talking sh*t. When I'm defending you guys or giving props your no where to be found.

My oppinion about FD drivers ducking D1 is not a fact but a oppinion. But my oppinions are based on facts, let me break them down to you.

No american team has ever sent a car to Japan - FACT

Only 1 current FD driver from America has driven in D1 Japan -FACT

Only 2 D1 transplanted drivers have failed to taste a FD podium - FACT

Formula D teams are fielding cars in other countries and series but not Japan - FACT

In 2009 when "D1" held a event in Anaheim and only 2 FD licensed drivers showed up -FACT

FD drivers, and employees still wrongly discredit D1 (look at slapshot's post) - FACT

This is how I base my opinion my opinion is not fact. Aren't you the one who taught me that?

And yeah, the American market is strong... stronger then the Japanese I will admit. But why are so many drivers gone? Sam and Tanner both champions gone with the wind, and I can also name like a dozen event winners and podium finishers who arent in the series anymore either. Why are so many good proven drivers out of rides? Why are drivers who never tasted the podium since day 1 still in it. When Redbull packs up and leaves a extreme sport thats when the red flags need to start waiving, but then again I guess we all cant be Rockstars . The market is strong but its very flawed and there are signs of decay.

But seriously though, from the bottom of my heart. I'm feeling alot of the changes, proximity>everything, good job FD.

[Formula D]

There should be a meme that says: Bebop - Talking nonsense and driving drifting forums crazy since 2004.

Let's be clear, if you are a driver/drifter, you are a competitor. That means you compete against others like you. Not one D1 driver or FD driver ducks each other or visa versa. You really can't believe that, can you? Vaughn, Chris, Rhys, Tuerck, Dai, Aasbo, Powers.. afraid? Come on, really?

I can explain to you very easily why drivers go an compete in other series. It's simply a matter of value and money, as ASD clearly stated and is widely known.

The reason there is a lopsided number of D1 drivers coming here to compete in the FD rather than FD to D1 is simply because the US is the largest media market in the world and FD is the largest series here. This market moves products and gets you noticed, not only here but globally. That has been true for some time and that is why globally it has been easier for us to get a foothold. We are served globally via major and endemic media, live stream and our TV show is in most major media markets globally.

This has nothing to do with FD drivers scared to drift against D1 drivers. Any thinking person can see that and it really discredits your perspective if you take that position even remotely seriously. By your own admission and posting, you show events where both drivers have competed against each other. If that is "calling it how you see it", I hate to say it, but you need to clean those glasses there son.

[e_lunatic]

I have it on pretty good authority that the ASD guys are not afraid of competing with anyone. doesn't matter if it's drifting, go karts, or ping-pong all those guys are super competitive and want to go against the best at all times.

I'm sure D1 will be in the cards at some point but as was said they have a commitment to FD and as such they aren't about to worry about a series they don't run in at the expense of a series they actually do run in.

[stedriftward]

Bebop= Driftopedia

Nice work!

[Bebop]

So Falken was there, Sam was there, Rhys was there but "several" other "top" FD teams werent? Do you realize that was in 2006...THOSE WERE THE TOP TEAMS!!! lol

By the way, Foust and Dai were there too. I might have the years mixed up where Tanner crashed in qualifying but other then that most of the top stars in FD were always at the D1 events from 2004-2007.





I know your not a big D1 fan, in fact I think you have mentioned you were black listed by them before but be real. The only time I went to a D1 event and said "damn there is no good american drivers" was in 2009 which I consider XDC.

[Slapshotnerd]

actually, you're right. Everyone went in 2007, it was 2006 that was the year nobody showed up. That was when Dmac first came over, and the event was the weekend before Christmas and it poured rain. Sam and Falken were there, I think Rhys crashed his GTO on Tuesday or Wednesday and I don't think he returned, Foust / Dai / several of the other top FD teams didn't show up.

[Bebop]

The last time D1 had an event at Irwindale was also over Thanksgiving weekend. Very poor planning on their part, most teams were enjoying the first holiday weekend since the motorsport season ended with family.

Huh? The only big name driver (at the time) who didn't compete was Chris Forsberg and I think he just didn't have the budget because it was his first year as a team owner (he showed up to the event).

JR
Nishida
Rhys
Tyler McQuarrie
Verdier
Sam H.
Daijiro
Ryan Hampton
John Russakoff
Ken Gushi
Chris Cook

All those guys were there. Plus that was a first time we saw Mad Mike and a bunch of other New Zealand guys, A bunch of Irish dudes, some Canadians, Malaysians, a few Aussies, and the best of the best D1 drivers. IIRC Tanner Foust was there but crashed out in practice or unseeded qualifying, JTP was there but failed to Qualify. That was the first drift event that they used a top 32 tandem bracket as well. Overall it was a action packed 2 day event with alot of cool drivers.

[Slapshotnerd]

Well obviously you know why I asked since the last time "D1" showed up to the states only 1 or 2 FD licensed drivers bothered to show. Yeah it was a shallow line up of J drivers but they were all top notch (2 ex champs), combine that with a few more FD drivers I think the show would have been better, thank god for Forrest Wang.

The "Us Vs Them" would be babble if it was just a bunch of internet assholes like me saying it but it isn't. There has been quite of few FD drivers and even a employee who have claimed superiority is the past. It all just does not add up, when someone claims to be better then someone but never competes against them and makes a bunch of excuses why they wont... I call it ducking. That's just my opinion, sorry if you get dragged down in it but you can always prove me wrong.

But the real reason why I asked about a D1 event in the states is because if you look at D1's schedule their round 7/end of the year exhibition doesn't seem to have a confirmed Venue yet. And its dated for December 1-2, that's tell-tale for a oversees event for D1GP. I think there is a big chance of D1 returning to the states.

The last time D1 had an event at Irwindale was also over Thanksgiving weekend. Very poor planning on their part, most teams were enjoying the first holiday weekend since the motorsport season ended with family.

[Bebop]

Well obviously you know why I asked since the last time "D1" showed up to the states only 1 or 2 FD licensed drivers bothered to show. Yeah it was a shallow line up of J drivers but they were all top notch (2 ex champs), combine that with a few more FD drivers I think the show would have been better, thank god for Forrest Wang.

The "Us Vs Them" would be babble if it was just a bunch of internet assholes like me saying it but it isn't. There has been quite of few FD drivers and even a employee who have claimed superiority is the past. It all just does not add up, when someone claims to be better then someone but never competes against them and makes a bunch of excuses why they wont... I call it ducking. That's just my opinion, sorry if you get dragged down in it but you can always prove me wrong.

But the real reason why I asked about a D1 event in the states is because if you look at D1's schedule their round 7/end of the year exhibition doesn't seem to have a confirmed Venue yet. And its dated for December 1-2, that's tell-tale for a oversees event for D1GP. I think there is a big chance of D1 returning to the states.

[ASD Team]

But I do pose this question; if there would be a D1 event at the end of the year in the USA maybe sometime in November or December would you guys be willing to compete in it?

I think since I've already stated we would like to compete in a D1 event in Japan if funding allowed it, the answer is obvious.

However, if enough of the real D1 drivers didn't show up for an event on US soil, I'm not sure. Unless we got to compete against enough of the best drivers in D1, I wouldn't see much point.
We support Formula D, not D1. The point of wanting to compete in D1 would be to compete against the very best D1 teams and drivers. And being drift fans, it would be amazing to go and compete where it all started. This whole "us vs. them" thing about who is better between FD and D1 teams is mostly internet babble. There is a lot of mutual respect I believe, as there should be.

I'm sure many other Formula D teams would also welcome the opportunity to see how they stack up against the best in D1 if the opportunity ever arose.

Back to work. Carry on...

[Bebop]

if FD did not pay Team Orange to run at Las Vegas and they won

I wouldn't say anything unless there was some weird controversial battle... I certainly wouldn't blame FD. Everyone has a opinion, some are more valid then others.

@ASD

If I was a millionaire I would foot the transportation to get you guys out there in a heartbeat, but sadly I doubt there isn't enough interest for a fund to get you guys to D1.

But I do pose this question; if there would be a D1 event at the end of the year in the USA maybe sometime in November or December would you guys be willing to compete in it?

[ASD Team]

I think this is a little out of context. All I was saying is that we haven't been able to afford to go to D1. Its not from ducking out, as was suggested.

If you'd like to start a fund Bebop, to help us get there, we'd be happy to go of course I don't expect you to do that, nor do I expect D1 to foot the bill. Its a simple situation of not having the money needed to go. Maybe one day that will change and we'll go find out what happens.

I think suggesting we're afraid to go is a little bit harsh. As is suggesting FD superiority or vice versa. I'd just like to go and compete over there and see what happens. Hopefully one day we will get that opportunity to go compete with those legendary drivers, I'd consider that an honor just to have the opportunity.

[Justin Banner]

Those are payouts based on where you finish, how many laps you led, and sponsor contingency. Yes parkers and low finishers get paid but the payouts from nascar alone only cover a small portion of the teams expenses, the sponsors hopefully cover the rest. So in other words NASCAR is not footing the bill for ANYONE just to show up. That's prize money not a employee check lol. (sorry Justin you must have posted that right as I started my reply)

What monkeyslide is suggesting is that D1 pays a team before hand just to show up, the only thing I see reasonable for a sanctioning body is to provide transportation oversees if its some sort of all star/world championship event based on someones overall performance over the following year. Anything else would be a conflict of interests, especially if said team wins the whole event.

If FD paid Team Orange to run at Las Vegas next month and they eneded up winning the event the whole internetz would be yelling RIGGED! lol

No biggie.

However, if FD did not pay Team Orange to run at Las Vegas and they won, the whole internet will still be yelling "Y U NO 'MURICAN DRIVR WIN? RIGGED!" Or find some way to blame Andy, again. (Seriously, it was Tony last year and this year it's Andy.)

[Bebop]

Those are payouts based on where you finish, how many laps you led, and sponsor contingency. Yes parkers and low finishers get paid but the payouts from nascar alone only cover a small portion of the teams expenses, the sponsors hopefully cover the rest. So in other words NASCAR is not footing the bill for ANYONE just to show up. That's prize money not a employee check lol. (sorry Justin you must have posted that right as I started my reply)

What monkeyslide is suggesting is that D1 pays a team before hand just to show up, the only thing I see reasonable for a sanctioning body is to provide transportation oversees if its some sort of all star/world championship event based on someones overall performance over the following year. Anything else would be a conflict of interests, especially if said team wins the whole event.

If FD paid Team Orange to run at Las Vegas next month and they eneded up winning the event the whole internetz would be yelling RIGGED! lol

[Justin Banner]

NASCAR. All 40-something starting cars get paid (start and parkers).

Well, they call it a payout but it's the same in the end.

I think I remember a few years ago, either NASA or the SCCA had a small contingency for drivers who traveled a long distance to make their finals. It didn't cover the entire cost, but they were "paid" to show up. It may have even been both series, I don't remember. I also don't remember if you have to complete your race or qualify to get it, either.