toyota supra

[ACDSupra7]

Re: mkII project

Originally posted by METALL-DRIFTER
I have the idea to make a drift MKII supra. does anyone know of companies that make body parts for this car. boddy kits hatches, hoods,etc.... just imagi it a black mkII with a wide body a 1jz under the hood. i was thinkin maybe it could us some part made for the ae86+some fabrication.

any ideas or postive comments would be apreciated

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Fabrication would be your best bet. Wide-body's no problem if you have the cash.

[Matto]

Originally posted by chrisfromda909
yeah my bad i forgot what year they started and i remember Matto saying 94, so i just went with that. but yeah 93= supras arent popular in drifting because of the front heaviness?

actually....the middle of 93 is when the MK4 came out. I had a 93.5 Supra... but that just confuses people... and i dont feel like explaining it...so i just say 94.

[kaneda]

stock supras run low 13s, in BPU trim you're looking at low 11s

[nedinic]

in japan skylines are everywhere

i heard that even in japan skylines are expensive, GTR's at least.

How do you guys think the supra handels??

Would id be good for the TOUGE ?

[kaneda]

you could touge with an mkiv, but i wouldn't recommend it, they weigh 3500lbs. an mkiii with a 1jz-gte would probably be a better choice.

skylines are expensive depending on where you get them and what year and model. you can pick up an R32 GT-R in good condition with low mileage for as little as $7,000.


http://www.king-buyer.co.jp/index3.php?p=3

[mranlet]

The more weight you have to deal, the tougher it will be to have excellent handling. Touge could be a challange with a heavy-body MK III or IV - the bare-bones Mk III weighs 3,300 lbs in stock trim!

For the widebody or body-kited Mk II, explore www.celicasupra.com and the member page. There's a yellow wide-body (I think) Mk II on there that is just stunning.

I plan on buying a Mk II from a friend for on the cheap and just running the 5M-GE into the ground (200k+ miles) and then dropping in a 6M-GTE or 7M-GTE. I'm into weight reduction hardcore (I even go without A/C in Florida ) and getting the weight down to 2,500 or less ought not to present a large problem once windows are replaced and panels lightened.

If you're looking for a Touge car, usually a nimble and light car will be your best starting point (Mk II, Miata, S13, CRX, Impreza, RX-7). A Mk III or IV Supra would be an excellent highway battler or drag racer, but probably wouldn't be the best on tight windy roads.

-MR

[nedinic]

thanks so you have to be a pretty good driver to take the supra on the hill

[mranlet]

Well, I guess...

If you're a good driver you'd turn better times with a car more suited to touge.

The MK II's weighed about 2700 and had 150-160 hp, but can fairly easily have a 6M-GTE or 7M-GTE swapped in to give up to 280hp. The lighter weight makes not only for better acceleration and braking but also for much better handling.

-MR

[pio_masaki]

Well I've had some experience with almost all of the Supra generations, and for drift the MKII would be the easier of the 4 to handle, having the better power for its weight, however swapping the 5m out and the 7m GTE in would also increase the front end weight. Stock form (say mine, 87, turbo targa 5 spd) weighs in at 4,000 lbs, its been weighed. This weight works for and against it in ways, in completely stock form it actually has understeer, and from there it whips into oversteer very quickly, while that was its design from the factory (to help newbie drivers and people not used to that kind of power, especially from the turbo lag handle average turns without spinning out) its easily worked out.

If you took the time to actually hook up the 5m, or even build the 5/7M GTE hybrid you can make it VERY quick while keeping the power levels within reason, and help maintain a lighter front end.

Proper tuning will always help any problem a car has, but for drift stock the MKII would have my vote if it wasn't quite as weak as it is, but the MKIII has to much weight and when it shifts you know it..easiest way to get my supra to stop the understeer was tire selection, softer in front harder in back (320's/420's) but now she's a little looser then I wanted..oh well. People also tend to push the weight to the back, and keeping the tire selections the same front and rear, this also helps with the understeer and provides a better balance between its under and over steer, usually something simple, like the battery, is moved to the back, that alone can help a non turbo MKIII maintain a much better balance for auto X, don't know how it improved its drift ability since that owner doesn't do that, but I can only imagine with its better balance it would be much easier to handle.

Boost levels are also something to watch for with these (well, any boosted car i guess) MKIIIs, stock 6 psi can be fine, while 12 can be a little to much for beginning drifters like me, I found 9-10 psi worked good on the stock CT26 turbo, and with the profec b spec II ebc the spool times were kept within reason for good enough response to the throttle input, the greddy type s bov venting back into the intake helped alot too. While it sounds VERY nice to hear that thing venting constantly it made me have to respool every time, and the stock CT26 isn't the best at handling high rpm exhuast flow, modified units are much better at it, but usually add some lag time, so far no one I know has found a "perfect" blend of spool time/boost levels for drifting, since not many of us AZ Supras guys drift, they build more for straight line speed.

As for them being nimble, well they can handle the windy roads fine with the usual bolt on suspension modifications, but their biggest weakness is that front end weight, and it shows up on tight windy roads, and understeer begins to show up on wider curves, easy enough to subdue with proper throttle usage, but getting the rear end right on the verge of sliding isn't something these guys want to attempt on a cliff.

Of course, if you're a good driver (well, in this case drifter, which I am not) you can make a stock MKIII drift almost as well as a purpose built RX-7 FD

This is my first post here, and I hope I don't come off as knowing it all or anything like that, I just thought I'd throw in some input since I've been studying these cars for awhile now, and I'm beginning to learn how to drift, anyways I hope this sheds some light on Supras in general, my experience with the MKIV is limited at best, the ones here are definatly built for high rpm high speed ball busting power, and aren't used for drift at all, so I can't say one way or the other with them, but MKII and MKIIIs I do know

Sorry if all I did was recap and repeat what has already been said, I'm still reading the site, but I hope this does help some people out who are considering drifting with any generation of Supra, the MKIII turbo gets my vote. On a side note, the 7M-GTE usually gets an average of 500-600 HP and the higher level MKIIIs (with the 7M) are 700-800, they don't usually get past that without going onto the JZ series engines which are quite expensive to put into a MKIII (even the 1JZ, which is actually available in some MKIIIs) and make work properly. A guy here in AZ actually does run the 5/7M GTE hybrid I mentioned, 5M head on a 7M block, CT26 turbo, modified, full engine management system to make it run, and it has reliability issues, but when she goes holy ...well yea she can move, and handles straights and turns with ease.

[sebb]

out of intrest how much wud a 'new' supra set u back, in US$

here is a random one i found here
http://www.drive.com.au/used_cars/to...&pg=1&pp=3&d=0

im currently learning about the whole US cars thing, why are the so rare? they are all over the place here

edit: dont think im some anoying noob, im just intrested, very intrested, in cars in different countries, dont ask why lol

[pio_masaki]

The Supra was stopped in 98 (made 93-98), the MKV is supposed to come out this year (last I knew, I don't pay much attention). MKIV Supras very in price depending on their current mod levels, you can get one for maybe 20K and I've seen them go for over 90K US. As for being rare, I wouldn't say they are, just not many people sell them, yes they are all over the place, but they usually aren't for sale. Check out ebay.com, they have a wide range of prices so you can get a better idea of what levels cost how much in US $.

Don't they have the MKIII with the 1JZ engine there? Just curious

[Drifter_C4]

The MK V was due for summer of 2005 last I checked, if they're still going to release it. So far the concepts are kind of strange, but perhaps releasing a newer supra will allow the older ones to go down in price.


Chaser, SC/Soarer, and IS300 are your best bets with those 2JZ blocks. Supra's are more circut and drag cars. If you were to drift a supra, get that lighter 3S-GTE and get a MKII Sup, Well that's just my opinion. Even those Jasper guys get a Supra sideways and it's a beautiful thing to watch my favorite car at angles which people find impossible. If you feint it, it will turn I suppose

[emission]

Australia has the 1jz available

[pio_masaki]

Originally posted by Drifter_C4


Supra's are more circut and drag cars. If you were to drift a supra, get that lighter 3S-GTE and get a MKII Sup, Well that's just my opinion. Even those Jasper guys get a Supra sideways and it's a beautiful thing to watch my favorite car at angles which people find impossible. If you feint it, it will turn I suppose

I never thought about the 3S MKII combo before, but yes I would imagine that would make a much better drift supra then anything the MKIII could do..at least, more nimble and easier to control while doing it.

[suberi_RPS13]

I'm probably way behind on the subject but here is my two cents...

I owned a "89" MA70 for two years that I just sold two weeks ago for the fact of it being to expensive to drift. I would have to say it has been my favorite car I ever owned. I had tons of dreams for that car(drifting and show). But my pocket couldn't fill the hopes.

I say the 87-92 is a great car, hard to drift, but great to learn on. I will say that it made sliding an s13 alot easier, but I miss the power. Owell I'm rabeling...

I say if you got the time or the money, GO FOR IT. You'll love the car.


I agree with the seat comment....lumbar support, YEAH!
P.S. ... I'll probably end up buying another A70 someday.