First Things First

[blargonator]

you can always just figure out what each part does in a simple game like GT3. it may not be the same but if you dont have lsd and try to drift only one wheel gets power making it really messed up because it is random of which wheel gets power. then if you buy lsd 2way then obviously both use the same amount of power.

[Wickdmarz]

I really would just say drift on what you got and then..as you break things up grade lol. My poor person upgrade tatics...

Lots of people say the first thing you should get is an LSD, but I think better suspension is a must.

You can drift without an LSD, drifting is mostly about throwing you momentum and catching it correctly. With open diff you can learn the most about that...I've seen people just only "drift" with an LSD and didn't try with an open, and then they can only "drift" an LSD moded car...::cough cough powerslide cough cough::

But if you want buy an old open diff out of junk yard, and weld the sucker...Drifting with a welded is so much more difficult than anything...the freakin thing just wants to go straight...so you learn to be precise as all hell. The downfall...makes a clanky noise when trying to make sharp turns are low speeds, like right hand turns...

And I like VLSD..some people say it stops working when it gets too hot...I've been in the dessert at around 100-105 mid day (god that sucks lol) but it never stopped working, I think its just an excuse for driver error...

[prodigy]

Re: First Things First

Originally posted by 5Z S13
what would you recommend be the primary upgrades for drifting, besides the car of course. Didn't know where to put this thread general or tech so any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Stiffen up the car. There are a couple cheap techniques besides double plug welding that you can do on your own that will really help the rigidity of the car. Yes, I also agree screw that sound deadening crap. There are also simple cooling mods that are next to nothing in costs and they look cool also.

[blargonator]

is the sound deadening stuff just dead wieght? because you could always take out the backseats which could probably make up for that stuff.

[clay payton]

look man, if you're just getting started and want to learn some drifts, you don't need all that stuff, especially if you don't have the money.

first buy some decent tires (you might have to up grade your wheels) and then get suspension upgrades.

hell, I practiced some drifts in a stock ae86 with open rear end and NO upgrades except for nice tires on stock wheels.

so, if people tell you that you need all these special mods to drift, they don't really know what they're talking about, sure the mods make it easier to drift, but, if cash is tight you don't need all that stuff.

[blargonator]

since when did it cost a ton of money to do simple things like gutting a car? you can do all sorts of things with very little money. i wish i had 5,000 to find a normal car and not a so called basher. i have 1,500 to find a car that is everything. people in southern states do not understand me when i say everything. i mean a car to drive in the snow and a daily driver. even all wheel drive cars can slide.

[clay payton]

i didnt say gutting a car cost a ton of money, my post wasnt even in regards to gutting the car.

i'm not trying to flame anyone here. jesus, lighten up.

but people are suggesting that he get coilovers from tien and a LSD rear end. those are pretty big bucks, and arent gonna do a bit of good if you're using crappy tires. you absolutely need to have controllable traction, which is something a quality tire will give you.

[blargonator]

if he is just learning what is the point of buying tires that will just be destroyed in a matter of days. if he does not have money to burn.

[clay payton]

so, you're saying he should spend his money on other items, but not buy tires, so then have can have no traction what so ever and potentially crash his car because it's uncontrollable.

also, if he's just learning to drift, he's not going to destroy the tires in a couple days, because when you start you arent doing massive tire smoking drift burnouts.

you learn by doing small breaking drifts, you practice feint maneuvers, you drive your car and learn the limits of traction and it's potential for grip under normal conditions, then you gradually start incorporating different aspects of drifting.

NOT buying decent tires is probably the dumbest thing he could do. at a MINIMUM he needs good front tires. he can bring some crappy rear tires to a drift day.

also, kuhmo 712's are about 50$ on tirerack, which is REALLY cheap for a v rated summer tire.

there is no reason to not buy tires first. hell, i can't think of authority of automotive handling that would tell you not to bother buying tires first.

heck, even the drift king says getting good tires is paramount to handling and should be the first thing one upgrades, and GRM has again and again mentioned that tire upgrades are the most noticable and beneficial upgrade you can do, especially for the relatively low cost of good tires these days.


but, whatever, I'm absolutely through discussing this with you. the guy who made this thread can read the posts and make up his own mind.

just remember, without good tires, every other upgrade is a waste because you won't be able to control the car as well.

[Feint]

^Dorikin says to start out on junkers dude.....I don't know about you,but in every car I've been in,lose of traction for extended periods of time sends the engine temps up.If cooling isn't addressed,your going to kill some thermostats at least.Even the pro cars sometimes need water poured over the radiator and intercooler to help with cooingl,even though their cars are modded up the ying yang.Also,clutch......Clutch kicking is a very important move,if you want to drift decently,your going to have to kick that clutch,ask any of the pros here.

[5Z S13]

thanks a lot all of you, the advice really helps as I'm working non-stop, minimum wage job, just to pay for any upgrades, and as a result i have to spend my money wisely.

oh, was wonder about this lsd, good deal or rip off?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW

[Wickdmarz]

Totally JDM...love it. I guess it is a good deal...I don't really care for LSD's...

But yea I totally forgot tires...I get junkers from a tire shop...cheap and it doesnt matter if they get burned up fast...I'll keep to steelies though, if you do pop a tire you don't wanna ride on your nice rims lol.

And cooling..the first thing I did was take out the A/C...well unless your gonna have it as your daily driver...get an electric fan if your model doesn't come with one.

[5Z S13]

Originally posted by Wickdmarz
But yea I totally forgot tires...I get junkers from a tire shop...cheap and it doesnt matter if they get burned up fast...

do you get those mounted at the same shop?

[Feint]

Originally posted by 5Z S13
do you get those mounted at the same shop?

Are you still in high-school by any chance? I don't know about you,but your school/school you graduated from,you should be able to probably do everything for free there if you know how,and of course,the equipment needed is in the garage.

[Wickdmarz]

No I mount my own tires, and don't care about balance...

Except for my old highschool...had everything but auto shop. Richest school in the discrit...all the spoiled rich kids when there with their bmws, mercedes and outrageously raised trucks...but no shop