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[nissanguy_24]

Re: Wow...contaminate the scene????

Originally posted by craiglieberman

Nowhere is this more evident than in the music world....you think Snoop would be happy being a "purist flying under the corporate radar?" Hell no, he takes the corporate money and leads the life he chooses.

Its' happened in pro skateboarding, pro volleyball, surfing, jet skiing, you name it...eventually, the corporations come in.

For those of you who may scream "look what TF&TF did to the tuner world,

"They FINALLY woke up and accepted drifting...why? With it came sponsorship dollars.

That's today's economics lesson...take it for whatever its' worth.

Wow you convenced me.. You convenced me that we need to keep drifting grassroots and out of the hands of corporate sponsors unless we want it to turn into rap, or have it ruined like all those other sports you mentioned..

Honestly rap is crap, end of story. Compare the great music of the 60s, 70s, 80s and even 90s and modern rock. I mean great stuff from the red hot chillipeppers and puddle of mud. These are great songs! not only do i still listen to songs from the beatles! and other things from the 60s, but 30 years from now ill be listening to Hotel california and City of Angeles back to back. Look at rap.. nothing in rap last. Every rap song is basicly a fad, once the novalty wears off its branded "old school" (now an insult) and no longered like. the biggest songs from last month are considered lame to even bring up...

Hell rap sold its soul to the devil along time ago... big companys picked up the next big thring so suposively.. throw loads of random money at it. What was the result?

Go ahead do that to drifting if you want. It wont effect me and my fellow drifters. But it will effect the pros out there, it will effect YOU and it will effect everyone making money off it. Oh and why your at it, why not attach a gangster hardcore image to drifting, like the media did to the show car guys.. because thats what i need, to be pulled over and treated like crap because im driving a stock looking 240. Im proud to be a drifter.. i dont want to be ashamed of it. OR have my grandparents gasp because the local news told them drifters = gansters.

You've taken the first step already, you came here to talk to us. Now please heed our words and warnings, trust us, we want kick *Censored**Censored**Censored* drifting on tv as much as the next guy.. but seeing two cars sliding side by side at 50 miles an hour inches from each other, then flipping and turning the other direction in a perfect ballet, on there last lap, the winner of the whole event to be desided by this one run....

well that doesnt need negative image or funny camera angles or even hip hop type music to make it exciting does it? 10 thousand where on there feet during the last matches at the d1.. they all only had 1 camera angle.. and no music except for the engines and tires.... and they loved every minute of it.

[Ziptyed]

I stand by Mr. Anlet. because If you look at surfing when It was all about communing with the ocean and doing it for the love, it was great, but know there's people who just strap a board to their roof and drive around trying to act cool because they were influenced by big money sponsors telling them if they surf that they will be cool, while surfing is not about that at all. I feel the same will happen to drifting if people like Mr. Lieberman get their grubby money hungry hands on it. Did anyone understand Mr. Lieberman's association with Nero. I feel that if this man takes over it would be the down fall of our beloved drifting. Some may say I don't know anything because I jumped on the bandwagon my self. I tell you that is not me. I have loved cars since before I can remember. I remember my mother saying as an infant that I used to roll toy cars in front of me watching the wheels turn for hours. I just would not like to see drifting turned into what surfing is today, but rather only done by people who truly love it.

-E.K-

[nissanguy_24]

Originally posted by Ziptyed
I stand by Mr. Anlet. because If you look at surfing when It was all about communing with the ocean and doing it for the love, it was great, but know there's people who just strap a board to their roof and drive around trying to act cool because they were influenced by big money sponsors telling them if they surf that they will be cool, while surfing is not about that at all. I feel the same will happen to drifting if people like Mr. Lieberman get their grubby money hungry hands on it. Did anyone understand Mr. Lieberman's association with Nero. I feel that if this man takes over it would be the down fall of our beloved drifting. Some may say I don't know anything because I jumped on the bandwagon my self. I tell you that is not me. I have loved cars since before I can remember. I remember my mother saying as an infant that I used to roll toy cars in front of me watching the wheels turn for hours. I just would not like to see drifting turned into what surfing is today, but rather only done by people who truly love it.

-E.K-

I to was one of the youths who loved cars. but sortof forgotten that love until i was much older when i rediscovered it. I was but a nerdy highschooler who thought cars werent for him, cars were for a certain group of people... i bought into a sterotype that you had to be a certain way to like cars. About the age of 17 a buddy took me to some car shows and a drag race, and i opened my eyes... but it wasnt until i discovered the S13 and Drifting about 3 years ago that i really fell head over hills for something.. first time i truely felt welcomed by a comunity.. So i guess im kindof protective of drifting and of the cars i love so much.

We will always drive.. thats what makes us drifters a love of the wheel and pedal, if this show is awesome or sucks, it wont mater we will drive. But we care because we want to see the thing we love reflected properly... Its like if someone did a biography on your beloved wife or something you would want to make sure that biography was perfect and people saw this wonderful woman the way you did.

To so many of us, this is about more then money.. its so personal and emotional. Thats why you see so many strong emotions on this thread. For better or worse thats what drifters are...

That is what binds us.. Unlike other groups we are very different people. We arent all ganster or minoritys from the ghettos, or rich white kids.. no we're everything.. Drifters are Nerds, there jocks, there rich guys, and poor guys, there amatures and professionals, there dreamers and realist, they're republicans and democrats and indipendents too, they're service men, and pacifist they like oatmeal rasin and chocolate chips. They're blacks and whites and asians and hyspanics. We are the minority, but we are composed of the majority and minority groups alike. We are Anime fans, and Anime haters, We watch sci fi and documentrys, and action and adventure movies. We read comic books and novels, we watch tv and listen to CDs. we listen to rock and country rap and R and B, modern music, older music. We Pirate and Pay. We Are imported car fans and domestic car fans!!! most drifters love all cars! We run V8s and Inline 4s Turbos and Superchargers and NA and Nitrous too. We can apreciate a good body kit, but dont think its nessisary.

We arent any one group... the only thing that unites us is a love of drifting and cars! If your show is focusing on anything besides performance of the cars, and the drifting then its off focus.. Go watch some of the old school muscle shows, hotrod tv and horse power tv those things.. yeah the jokes are corny the host are goofy, and there too obsessed with chrome.. but the shows give you information and numbers, they show the car the way WE want our cars shown to us. Take a lesson from them! it will be worth while.. and you know what, you show drifting like that and you will see it expand into bigger markets, because the old shcool guys will take it seriously. Negative images and strop effects wont do that.

Sorry for the rant.. i hope it helps though..

- Nissanguy

[spock]

To Mr. Lieberman:

I honestly don't want to make anyone look bad. But you're just confirming everything I've said earlier with your comments about sponsorships and big corporations getting involved. The last thing I want to see drifting on MTV. Surely, once Viacom gets their hands on drifting it will be ruined. (Oh, wait. Spike TV's owned by Viacom, isn't it?) But seriously, if I ever see Ronald McDonald doing a tandem run with Taniguchi I'm gonna shoot myself if the face. Well maybe not something that drastic, but it'll still make me very angry. And don't bother trying to defend the Fast and Furious. We all know very well how they ruined the image of this industry. It's really distgusts how imports in America have that "gangsta" appeal. I hate those ads in American magazines with some guy standing next to his car acting like he's tough sh*t. And, please, don't make this show try to appeal to the Fast and Furious gangsta type crowd. It will only put drifting in a negative light.

[kaitokid21]

just a quick question, some ppl were complaining about them (redline) showing coverage of IAS was it? but how many ppl would have complained it they had shown the TOKYO auto salon car show?

i know i wouldn't be whining....

[mranlet]

Thanks for the support Ziptyed, and +1 to Nissanguy.

Kaito - whether it be IAS or TAS isn't really the point. Yeah, the TAS is the real deal, but either way it's more the presentation that people were pissed about.

Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned, so the story goes... Hopefully that does not apply to Mr. Lieberman and drifting.

Like him or dislike him, I very much respect Craig. As a single man, he holds probably the greatest influence on how the public will see drifting in the future. I don't nescessarily think that he has the reverse-Midas touch and I understand that he has to make a lot of people happy at the same time.

I DO feel very strongly about that which I love, as I'm sure he does too - similar to how Mr. Hale (Nissanguy) had put it, you wouldn't want to have some paint a portrait of your mother and then add a blue sparkle wig and Elvis glasses. You'd want her to be depicted as she is.

I don't want people to be drawn to drifting for something that drifting ISN'T. I want people to be drawn to drifting for what it is, plain and simple. Ultimately, those are the people who will be in it for the long haul.

Mr. Lieberman - I'm sure that you get a lof of flak from a lot of people about things you've done in the past and that's really unfortunate. A lot of people here are simply frustrated and they don't know who else to hold responsible but you - if you listen to us and give the drifitng world what it wants then you could easily be the hero, but don't let us down or poor spock will shoot himself in the face.

Thanks for coming down and reading this stuff - it means a lot to me and I think (even they won't say it) it means a lot to other people as well.

-MR

[Weapon X]

Re: Wow...contaminate the scene????

Originally posted by craiglieberman
Guys, I gotta disagree here.

Something mainstream does NOT contaminate it...it infuses new life into it.

With mainstream media attention comes corporate sponsors; with corporate sponsorships comes the advancement of the sport...and the enrichment of the sports' participants.

Nowhere is this more evident than in the music world....you think Snoop would be happy being a "purist flying under the corporate radar?" Hell no, he takes the corporate money and leads the life he chooses.

Its' happened in pro skateboarding, pro volleyball, surfing, jet skiing, you name it...eventually, the corporations come in.

For those of you who may scream "look what TF&TF did to the tuner world," keep in mind that NONE of the automotive shows on TV would be on right now if the mainstream audiences hadn't walked out of that movie wanting more. Even MTV is finally getting into the game, launching their own series later this year.

Keep in mind that many OE's have now responded to this demand and cars like the Evo and WRX are in direct response to demand generated partly by more mainstream acceptance of trends. People like Drifting.com members pioneer become 'cool' and more importantly, "opinion leaders," and someday you might be fortunate enough to make a living from your passion.

In my opinion, you have two choices:
Deny it, be a "purist" and do what you want on your own dime

Embrace it...get paid well for it, and still do what you want.

There's nothing wrong with being a purist...I'm one too (having owned/built 39 cars, mortgaged up to my eyeballs for cars and having given up my first wife to keep having cool cars I believe makes me a purist), but to resist the infusion of capital into a grassroots sports is exactly what's been keeping SCCA unpopular with America's youth for 30 years.

They FINALLY woke up and accepted drifting...why? With it came sponsorship dollars.

That's today's economics lesson...take it for whatever its' worth.

It's called preserving something's integrity. If you're going to use that bull$hit analogy with Snoop dogg, look how bad his music is once he took all that corporate money. None of his records will EVER come close to Doggystyle.

The same goes with most artists, record companies get this idea in their head about what the kids want, and it all comes out sounding the same. All that consulting and marketing research is good for is turning things into crap if you dont listen to what the real fans have to say.

Drifting going mainstream is a double edged sword, and until recently I wasnt that against it. The Fast and The Furious sure infused new life into drag racing....it f@#$ing destroyed it. I get harassed by the cops for driving a red, lowered import even when I'm doing nothing wrong. My industrial drift spots are getting rolled because of drag racers, you cant even hang out at meets and check peoples cars out without getting hassled down here. Not to mention that thug life attitude that goes with most of these idiots. Anyway, you need to have a balance between the commercialism and the integrity of the sport or else it will turn to $hit. If that's your aim, I'm not going to sit by idly and let you do that so you can make more money out of it.

BTW, if I ever see a Pepsi Blue drift car, I'm going to cut open my belly.

[kaitokid21]

they don't make pepsi blue anymore

[Weapon X]

Oh well...they had that dumb evo.

[CRASHDRIVE]

Re: Re: Wow...contaminate the scene????

Originally posted by Weapon X
I get harassed by the cops for driving a red, lowered import even when I'm doing nothing wrong. My industrial drift spots are getting rolled because of drag racers, you cant even hang out at meets and check peoples cars out without getting hassled down here. Not to mention that thug life attitude that goes with most of these idiots.

This is what needs to change. Right now. all street modified cars are harassed. Why? media attention. If drag racers were portraint as some thugs with no regards to the law what do you think will happen? Deaths, caused by what? kids mimicking what they saw in television or movies. If there was a movie that shows the drama, the agony, and anguish that you have to indure just to make it in the track, what kind of perspective do you think the "GENERAL PUBLIC" will have on street race spec cars?

[96AudiBoi]

Wow, I have never seen such an abundance of ignorant selfish little acne covered brats posting in all my life! Ha, you really think any production team is going to take these opinions seriously? Come on now? There are a few mature people on here with helpful posts, which I am sure Redline will respect their standpoint, but the majority of "wannabe drifters" are just kids with mom's old corrolla who think they are god's gift to the drifting world.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess 25% of you aren't even old enough to drive, while 80% of you aren't even old enough to legally drink. Your close minded postings and lack of grammar and punctuation are only backing up this argument.

Sure, I'm the newbie, so flame me, delete me, whatever. I only found out about this thread from a Euro forum. It took me like 30 min to read all this, but I had to sign up and post. But as long as SOMEBODY says something it's ok.

First off, why such hostility and negativity? I thought the show was pretty damn good, and I can vouch for atleast 4 other website forums that agreed. They liked the host. I REALLY liked her, lol, and would much rather look at her hosting any day over some toothless Japanese Drifter.
Are you guys forgetting she's probably reading off a script? The same thing as your boy Alex or any other "knowledgeable" drifter would be doing? Newsflash, it's the SAME content. He would be reading the exact same thing as Courtney Day did. Would he not know what he's talking about still?

Secondly, how can any of you disrespect Mr Craig Leiberman? I'm embarrassed to see the comments made on him. He's a pioneer for the automotive world and just because you little shits are too selfish to share "your sport" , doesn't give you any reason to bash him on things you know nothing about. He's one reason this thread topic is even in existence.
Who cares if there wasn't as much drifting as you wanted. There will be MORE episodes. A show with variety is good. Oh and sorry, but Drifting DOES need sex appeal. All sports could use it. I sat in a room with 10 of my guy friends, half of which aren't into the auto scene at all, and only cared about the host and the commercials. Please realize the world isn't made up soley of die hard Drifters and Redline is targeting more than just you.

We should be excited about this. If there is something that you feel needs work, take after the few board members on here and be civil about a suggestion.

Grow up, open your mind and learn to like the show or change the channel. It's as easy as that. There will be millions more in your place.

[spock]

Re: Re: Re: Wow...contaminate the scene????

Originally posted by CRASHDRIVE
If there was a movie that shows the drama, the agony, and anguish that you have to indure just to make it in the track, what kind of perspective do you think the "GENERAL PUBLIC" will have on street race spec cars?

I wouldn't go as far as to say all that. They just need to portray it realisitically. All these people who makes these shows and movies neglect the fact that more times than not it's average Joes that are the ones out there doing this stuff and not some guy dressed up in Sean John and can hadly speak Ebonics, much less normal English.

[svtxchinoy]

Everyones post here makes total sense. Fast n Furious really ripped the industry a new one. Now we have drifting on the cutting board next. The only thing that can stop it from going truly down the sewer hole is that people will find that drifting has nothing to do with bling and how much money you spend, its the time people spend perfecting their skills. For the average ricer, I don't think their willing to spend the time to do it. They've already tried to start commercializing it with so called "Drift cars" and "drift parts" but that doesn't do any good without the driver knowing how to use them. Its a shame that people who drive imports now are being harrassed because of the media hype. I remember when the import scene was all about the cars and having fun without having to worry about a fight breaking out or some drugs being passed around. Now its all about the thug-life and there that went. Sorry about the rant, its just sad what happens when things go wrong like this.

[snowblind]

drifting will become popular, in the way only america can lift up and totaly abuse and pervert a trend. Its everybody's fault, the corporations for sellling it to us, and us for buying it. If craig doesnt doesnt have anything to do with drifting, someone else will. Not to put down mr. L or say he would pervert the sport, im saying that if he doesnt have a part in drifting becoming mainstream somebody else will. so no offense if that sounded bad ok? It's starting to pick up speed, in alot of peoples opinions it already dead or dying. So since that is inevitable I will say what I said before, when it goes big, I hope the original drifters and the people who really love it benefit.

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by Ziptyed
Wow, I'm not even going dignify to Audi Boy's post with a response. Just this.

I second that, no one delete this post.