Formula D - Heading the Wrong Way?

[CRASHDRIVE]

Make it like any other motorsports. Make attractions revolves around the sport they are trying to promote.

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by P1STON2ROTARY
What sollutions could you guys suggest for this whole slipstream show/drift integration? Im sure we are all thinking along the same lines. I myself think they should cut the show stuff and be true to the sport instead of the dollar, all drivers want to see is driving. How do you feel?

That's pretty much how I feel. I dont like how HIN and the whole "hollywood street racer, import lifestyle" thing has been tied in. Keep that all seperate.

[nissanguy_24]

Promoters need to stop telling me how drifting needs nondrifting in it to attract nondrifters in order to grow.

[my 1 88 u]

Originally posted by P1STON2ROTARY
What sollutions could you guys suggest for this whole slipstream show/drift integration? Im sure we are all thinking along the same lines. I myself think they should cut the show stuff and be true to the sport instead of the dollar, all drivers want to see is driving. How do you feel?

allocate the money spent on the secondary entertainment toward drift schools and practices.

[CRASHDRIVE]

Originally posted by my 1 88 u
allocate the money spent on the secondary entertainment toward drift schools and practices.

YES! I like this one.

With more sessions, this will create more positive attraction to the sport and will uncover more talents out there. For more competition based events

[NismoSigma]

Its to late to argue this , 3:00am, damn CS. As long as it has DRIFTING im fine. There is always bound to be some ricer around i really dont care. They SHOULDNT put it with HIN. D1 SHOULD USE MONEY FOR DRIFT SCHOOLS and DRIFT TRACKS. But you know theyre not gonna do it so why bother. :\

[STFUAD]

dayam...

No people... tell us how you REALLY feel...

[Ghost of Duluth]

Well, alot of this that you guys are saying is right on target. But sadly, if the people that particiate in the sport do not feel the same way as you all do, I.E. Mr Forseberg, nothing is going to change. But really, do you expect it to? I mean, comon, I knew that none of the pro's that participate in Formula D would go against anything they did because it's their ride. They get paid to do what they love to do and they aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them. But what I do find funny is that 2 times in the past 2 days, someone from Drift Alliance has responded with personal attacks when questioned about what they do. Today's is not like yesterdays fiasco from Mr Angelo but no need for that. On the other hand, I realize why he did it. You guy's can't really question or interrogate him, he's just a driver in the series, not the series itself.

See, these guys do what you all want to do. They make money from driving. They get sponsership money (many times, possibly not all the time) to go to events and drive. Driving is great, but getting paid for driving is even better, believe that. They have reached a level of either skill or recognition to warrant money for their time. So when someone like Formula D puts on events where they can go drive, they go drive. They aren't thinking about the car show or the Jackass star that's going to be there (maybe some are) they go to drive. The rest is just background noise cept the girls. But you see what i'm getting at? They go wherever they can to drive cause that's what they do. And since they are at that level, i'm sure they get tired of hearing people at our level trying to dictate how this sport should be run. Which is not good.

The thing that you pro's need to understand is this, these people on here represent a cross section of your loyal fanbase. Some drive, most don't but they all love Drifting, the sport that you are in and when it all comes down to basics, they are the ones that are going to buy tickets to see you strut your stuff. Everyone thinks this site is the end all of Drifting in the way they put it's members down. But alot of people here are all over the Drifting infrastructure of websites and forums devoted to it. They don't just camp here. So the things you say and the people you attack may go 10 other places and spread around what you did to em. While that may not mean anything to you, it does to alot of other people. These people look up to you and when you say things like what was said the past 2 days, then you make yourselves look ignorant to me. Yea, i'm sure someone will come on here and counter with "look at what all I have done and blah blah blah". Don't mean crap to me if you can't act right. Which is a direct contradiction because one of the nicest guys on here in posting is Ryan Hampton.

So the bottom line is this, this is a moot topic because nothing is going to get done. At least with Craig Leiberman, he came on here, asked our opinion and tried to do something with it. These guys, pro's and Slipstream, don't seem to care what we say. So why bother.

[Thai Juku]

I think we proved our points...I don't know about you guys, but I'm ready for this thread to close. It's gettin kinda dangerous if you ask me...

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by Thai Juku
I think we proved our points...I don't know about you guys, but I'm ready for this thread to close. It's gettin kinda dangerous if you ask me...

You seem like you're scared of controversy/confrontation. I think it should stay open a while longer for more opinions to be shared. We didnt even reach some kind of mutual understanding right now it seems certain people at Formula D as well as a driver dont care what we think, or what we want to see at a drifitng event. They're going to to tell us what we want to see for us.

[Ghost of Duluth]

I agree, leave it open. No need to shut it down as no real flaming has gone on.

[Thai Juku]

Don't ever tell me I'm scared...Especially on a internet forum...Continue then, I'll join in...

[R1chard]

Originally posted by Weapon X
You seem like you're scared of controversy/confrontation. I think it should stay open a while longer for more opinions to be shared. We didnt even reach some kind of mutual understanding right now it seems certain people at Formula D as well as a driver dont care what we think, or what we want to see at a drifitng event. They're going to to tell us what we want to see for us.

Maybe the majority of people want to see all these things at Formula Drift and you're just one of the few that is bothered by this. Or maybe, you're too stupid to know what you want to see so that's why they are telling you what you want to see.

The people on this online community don't represent the majority of the people who attend such events as Formula Drift or D1. Most of you guys are hardcore drifting dorks with no lives and nothing better to do than to sit there and complain about how nothing is good enough for you guys.

A lot of people who attend these events aren't hardcore drift fans. They are also people who are interested in the sport, but dont know much about it, or even people who aren't even into motorsports at all. The other elements of the event such as the car show and celebrities are just something to add to the event just in case those non-hardcore drift fans get bored during the downtime and want to see something else. Of course you dorks don't care about that because you guys know nothing else but drifting, but maybe those other people at the event do. Those elements don't hurt the event so why do you care? How do you expect the drifting culture/scene to progress and make advancements when narrow-minded people like you don't understand that you cant just keep doing the same thing and expect to keep moving up.

[Thai Juku]

What do I know...I just know about cars and how to drift. I don't know anything on how a drifting event is made. This isn't the thread for me...'Should've said this earlier. Sorry I got into this...Go ahead and flame me I don't care...

[_PG_]

Yes, I for one do not care for any of the extranneous add ons that come with the highly public drift events and the general lack of knowledge from most of the spectators. HOWEVER, there is a series dedicated to people like me: BM Hai aka Battle of Drift. Its put on by Battle Magazine in J-Land. The cars are street cars, the drivers are often amatuers, I have friends who compete in it, and they claim in the "Pro Class" there are non-D1 guys that would blow away most D1 events... they just don't like D1. And then of course there are the Intermediate and Advanced groups.

Anyways, its not as fun to wtch as D1. Its a little slower, the judges (mostly high ranked D1 drivers) are not exciting and don't talk much, its more of a serious... lets get out there and just do this sh-it type of thing. Its cool. It was like the Buttonwillow comp this weekend. I won an acrylic trophy and i couldn't be happier. (well i DO think that first place deserves... oh full tire sponsor and new aero... HAHAHA) A little trophy! Who cares? I got to run all day with some friends, compete, get judged, hang out, drive the dopest REAL track not some poosay parking lot, and came out with a trophy. Thats a hot event!

But guess what? Most of you would have been bored out of your mind watching cars drift around with no music, announcing, lights, smoke, hype, vendors, etc... all the sh-it you get to do in between rounds and when you get bored.

Pro Drift events imo ARE a little on the weak side of motorsport and on the higher side of car show, but drifting is NOT "just about the car and drifting" like one member said. Its figure skating with landmines, spikes, pits, monsters, and other attrocious hazards on the ice. You get JUDGED on speed, angle, IMPACT, STYLE, etc... its not just "Who can drift this corner." Any one can. Doing what Topics and Bad Tony do... making it look Dead Sexy B-tch and exciting... thats the hard part.

Some of us are there, some aren't. Some won't ever be that good. Thats why there are different classes, series, events, etc...

The pro level is for every one to TRY and enjoy (if some shallow-angle, slow, powerful, RACECAR drivinng assholes don't force TOO many of my friends off track).

How many people came out to watch DDC2? Or the Just Drift Invasion 3 Buttonwillow Competition? How many people even know what those are?

DDC2 had people there practically only to take pics of all the judges (Formula D drivers) do demo runs. Not many of us amatuers got pics taken. There were next to no spectators at the Just Drift event.

These events exist, people, but its YOU GUYS who choose not to go and watch them. Because as much as you hate to admit it, D1 and all the hoopla IS fun, and IS a good time and IS, even with all the bullsh-t, a pretty decent event (except for HKS FPRs).

Besides theat, lets talk money or sponsorship. Whats the point of crashing a 350 SuperZ competing for a little trophy? Whats that worth? People who provide drivers the opportunity to DRIVE want something in return for their business. That is customers. People/spectators ar potential customers, not a bunch of dorks who already have fully built drift cars.

Just accept that with great "pro drifters" you get great "bullsh-t advertising" and marketing. Its how the cookie crumbles. These guys are peoples' HEROs for christs sake. Can you imagine that sh_t How many times have I seen these fools passed out drunk in a less than heterosexual position? A-many. The pro guys are mostly all call doods who enjoy hanging out and doing normal sh)t. Damn people its not like they run the series'. At least Formula Drift listens to what their concerns are and how to fix certain aspects. These doods just wanna drive, and they are good enought o be given that opportunity. Don't hate. In fact, if it gets too out of hand in here i will have to prove this hypothosis by posting a few incriminating 4th of july (and 5th of Vodka?) pics! Haha! FOOLS! (jk, those are safe... on the internet... elsewhere).

What the hell is the point of this post? I dunno, Formula D is not the greatest thing to happen to drifting, but it certainly draws a crowd, showcases bad a-s-s drivers, and provides a fun atmosphere for most people... lets just accept that and deal witht eh downsides.