FD or S13

[SR_power19]

^^How is the FD cheaper maintenance? It is by far more expensive to maintain.Rotary+insurance=high maintenance.

Anyway, these cars shouldn't be compared.The RX-7 is more than 10 times the amount of money(yes 10 times) and is more powerful outta the box, the FD looks better IMO as well.You can get a s13 for 1,000, while a good running low mileage FD is ~15 g's.However, a s13(1,000 or even cheaper with a blown engine)+SR(~2000)+mods(considering the amount of money you would save instead of buying an FD)=Cheaper,faster than the FD

[Ghost of Duluth]

Um hate to tell you but there is NO way a stock SR in a 240 will outrun a stock FD. No FREAKING way. An S13 makes 202, the S14 make 217 and the S15 makes 247. The FD stock makes 255 and it weighs considerably less. Now these are stock figures but good luck finding a stock FD. 95% of them are modified in some way. Hate to break it to you but stock SR swapped cars are not that fast. If you do an SR swap you are going to have to do some mods to make it compete with even a stock FD. My FD makes 342 at the wheels. No way you can swap in a stock SR and even come close to me. You will have to put as much into that SR as an FD to make it compete with an FD. Not being braggy or anything but everyone thinks that the SR is the magical super, make everything right in the universe fix all for drifting engine. To make a 240 compete with an FD you are not only going to have to do engine work but suspension work as well. The stock FD suspension, especially the R1, is freaking awesome. MUCH better than the 240 stuff. So figure on Sr engine swap, few mods and suspension to even get on the same playing field with an FD.

You can get an Fd for this kind of money. Yea the cars are 1000, for a bone stock, usually has some problems chassis. Then get your SR, from a reputable place, for round 2500 for a clip. Then suspension and whatever else you need to fix on the car, lets say 2500. You will needs either coilovers or shocks/springs at the very least, bushings, more than likely tie rods and whatnot. Then any misc stuff such as, but not limited too, Ignition, fuels parts, hoses, belts, tune-up stuff, coolant, oil and other small things. Then labor, if you do it yourself then lets count your time, say 2500 to 3000 for quality work and you got more than I payed for my FD right there. I payed 6000 for mine with ALL the performance parts already on it except the Teins. Granted that is a good deal but you can find FD's for 9000-10000. They are coming down. My first FD in 98 was a Touring and I paid 9000 for it. At a dealer to to be exact.

If you want a daily driver get a 240, but if you are looking for a daily driver then why in the world would you buy something you just have to swap an engine into? Makes no sense. Thats a daily sitter. Odds are if you look around you can find a decent FD and with a few mods, if they aren't already done, you will have a daily driver that is fun, looks good, is pretty freaking fast, still makes peoples heads turn and will FLAT out smoke all SR cars except the heavily modified ones. Why do you think they called the FD the "Giant killer". Because it competed with cars that way overpowered it. Plus most of your regular people still do not know what an FD is. I still get questions about what it is. Especially now that I took the emblems off.

Your decision but don't let the SR *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*'s tell you that a stock sr swap is going to tackle an FD. No way, No how!!! Bottom line.

[nissanguy_24]

Whoever said a Silvia could beat a FD stock is stupid... Silvia or a SR powered 240, its all the same. However a Well Built Silvia or Turbo KA could go head to head with the FD.

THe FD isnt signifigently lighter then the S13 Like i said before my S13 is 2700 lbs flat with a auto transmission and the back seats stripped out. Its the base model. And auto version is suposed to be about 60 pounds heavier. When i do the swap ill weigh it again.

But the fact remains the FD is a hell of a car, a street legal race car. the Silvia was extreamly popular in japan and there are lots of modifictions availible for them.

For the cost of an FD a smart person could probably build a S13 that can go toe to toe with it. Of course that depends on alot of factors.

The S13 is going to be easier to drive and learn on though. An FD is a freakin fd though... Put the same amount of money into the FD as you did the S13 and the FD will be a superior car. It cant be helped, it came form the factory handling better and faster.

[SR_power19]

I didn't read either of the last two posts, only the first two sentences of each.If your talking to someone else then nvm but i never said a stock SR.With $9,000, i would have a faster 240 than ur stock FD.End of story.

[Ghost of Duluth]

Lol ok turbo. Yea you can have a hot modified 240 that can beat a STOCK FD. How cool you are going to look at the next street race or drift event. I'll take a stock FD put 1500 in it and stomp all over your 9000 240 with the stock wheels on it. Faster 1/4 mile times and i'll wager faster through the mountains too. I'd even run it in a stock FD it would be interesting. But I highly doubt you can buy the car, get ALL the work done, get it tuned and get it out to run for under what I bought my FD for or my first FD for. No way no how. My car's got stock R1 suspension on it and Tein springs. I'll whoop any 240 in my area through the mountains. End of story.

As for everything else. The S-13 89-96 bodies weight in at about 2940 lbs. Give or take a 100 or so pounds for article error. So they are a little bit heavier than an FD but not by much. But then again lets start stripping parts out of the FD and we can pull that weight down a little as well.

I'm not coming down on 240's by any means but you are comparing wine to hardcore liquor. In stock form there is no comparison. Sure you can build a 240 to beat a stock FD, I can build a Pinto that can whoop a Lambo in the 1/4 mile given enough money. But in stock to stock form OR modified to modified form (except in highly modified stages, race equipment, and then it's anybodies game. But we talking full race cars here) it won't take one.

Granted the 240 is a whole lot easier car to learn on. The FD is a harsh taskmaster.

But you keep believing that Sr_power. If that's what keeps you warm at night, i'm all for it. But give it alot of thought. You may see the light then.

[nissanguy_24]

Your numbers are off by like 300 lbs for the S13, not 100 give or take. I have weighed mine, not read an artical on it. Besides what articals are you reading? And the S14 is heavier then the S13, the S14 started in 95.

They actuay weigh pretty similar lbs. And ill promise you jus by its nature there is more to remove from a 240sx then a FD to reduce weight.. Just because being a more strict race car the FD has alot less in it. Not that the S13 really has much either. Back seats and some other stuff though.

Also you got your FD for a great price. IM not dissagreeing with you that a 240 would be hard pressed to become a better performance car then the FD, i highly respect the FD, but your weights are off abit.

2940 lbs is a good weight for a S13 auto with the driver AC and PS. Mine was 2780 stock with the auto spare kit, 1/4th tank of fuel (according to gauge) AC and power steering.

with the rear stripped out and the sparetire kit removed. and a similar amount of fuel according to the gauge, it was 2700 flat.

[SR_power19]

My POS s13 weighs in at 2,600 no AC, or power steering. Still have back seats, sound deadening, radio etc. I'm sure i can get it to 2,500.So i don't know where u got nearly 3,000 lbs from.

Anyway, you got ur FD for a hell of a price, especially from a dealership, nice job.Just so you know, my favorite car is the ferrari 355, then viper gts then the FD rx-7.I am no 7 basher, i am just telling you that for the price of your 7 i can put together a hell of a s13.

$750 for s13 w/blown motor, maybe even cheaper.
$2,500 and the SR is in.
$1,360 Tein HE(great budget coilovers)
$480 falken azenis
$400 exhaust, take ur pick of manufacturer
$600 FMIC, take ur pick again
$200-300 boost controller
~$2,000 HKSGT series turbo

So thats ~400 hp to the wheels and i'd have $610 left over.Maybe buy some cams or something Of course this is all if i do self installation.

So is 400hp to the wheels in a 2,500lb car "barely" beating ur stock FD?

[nissanguy_24]

Okay guys, this has gone from reasonable analysist to Internet Racing.

I agree with alot of what both of you guys are saying Ghost, and SR, but lets steer clear of the yahoo chat type adding up prices and quarter mile times.

[P1STON2ROTARY]

These two cars are not comparable.

Originally posted by SR_power19
My POS s13 weighs in at 2,600 no AC, or power steering. Still have back seats, sound deadening, radio etc. I'm sure i can get it to 2,500.So i don't know where u got nearly 3,000 lbs from.

Anyway, you got ur FD for a hell of a price, especially from a dealership, nice job.Just so you know, my favorite car is the ferrari 355, then viper gts then the FD rx-7.I am no 7 basher, i am just telling you that for the price of your 7 i can put together a hell of a s13.

$750 for s13 w/blown motor, maybe even cheaper.
$2,500 and the SR is in.
$1,360 Tein HE(great budget coilovers)
$480 falken azenis
$400 exhaust, take ur pick of manufacturer
$600 FMIC, take ur pick again
$200-300 boost controller
~$2,000 HKSGT series turbo

So thats ~400 hp to the wheels and i'd have $610 left over.Maybe buy some cams or something Of course this is all if i do self installation.

So is 400hp to the wheels in a 2,500lb car "barely" beating ur stock FD?

These horsepower fantasies will not do. I dont think people really understand what goes into such cars to get such high horsepower. These cars are NOT in the same league. How about not worrying about hp and comparing an s13 to an fd and just be happy and drive your car.

[nissanguy_24]

More importantly. This is a drifting site. WHo cares how cheap it is to make a faster straight line car. I mean you could get a old Z or 510 or something strip it, put in a racing seat and a old american v8 and huall *Censored**Censored**Censored*. So it doesnt really mater which is "faster"

[raging panda]

Yes, you will not make 400 hp on that kind of money because you didnt add in any kind of engine management or tuning, add 1500+ dollars to that, its silly. Like I said earlier, a 400hp rx7 and a 400hp 240 with full suspension and everything will perform just as well as each other, just differently. It will come down to driver skill and preference. Stock, the rx7 has a insane advantage over the 240, but it comes at a cost. That advantage can be overcome but it takes money.

[nissanguy_24]

Yeah well said raging panda.. Also it should be mentioned in Drifting, the car means less then in drag racing or even road racing, because its so much skill involved.

[Ghost of Duluth]

Well said, don't totally agree with that but well said.

As for this being off topic from Drifting, the name of the thread is FD or S13. He wanted to know pros and cons. This falls right under that catagory. This wasn't entirely about straight line either. This simply is a discussion on the pro's and con's of both cars. Pro on the FD is power and handling, con is reliability nad price. Con on the S13 is poor power and handling, in stock configuration, Pro is price and and availability. We just went a few steps further and stated why we thought this and how we came to the conclusions that we did.

Not going to argue weights with you if you say you have done it. If you did it then I will believe you until I can get to Altanta and weigh both my brothers 240 and a stock one. I'll post those results when I get em.

I don't have a single thing against 240's. But I stick by what I said before. The cars are different whether you put 400 hp into them or run them stock. They are going to run differently, handle differently and produce power differently. They will run courses differently, run straight line differently, launch differently everything will be diferent. You can't just throw 400 hp into both cars and say they will be the same. It's just not that way.

[nissanguy_24]

eh yeah your right about it being off drifting.
I Just thought with your post, and this guys 400 hp post that iwas going into that area of which is the better drag racer.

I didnt mean to say if its not about drifting you cant mention it. I have no right to say such a thing anyways, I simply ment to say here, we are, mostly concerned about drifting so, pure speed isnt as big of a concern, a factor, but not a huge one.

Anyways these two cars are very differnet, Different power plants, different suspension way different cost. i think we all agree. if your new there is no option, Get the s13 if you are experienced well then you may be ready for a thorough bred like the FD, of course then it comes down to preference, some of us just love our S13s.. i have always been an S13 fan, Given a choice one or the other ill keep my S13.

However long before being a S13 fan i was a rx-7 fan, One day i would love a FD, of course if i can afford to run and maintain my FD, i dont see any problems with keeping the S13 too.

[SR_power19]

The cars are different whether you put 400 hp into them or run them stock. They are going to run differently, handle differently and produce power differently. They will run courses differently, run straight line differently, launch differently everything will be diferent.

Theres something we can totally agree on ghost.Believe me i would love to have an FD but broke as i am, an s13 will do haha.


And about the parts and horsepower.I know its not realistic it was just thrown out there to give an example as to the cars(or engines?) performance capabilities with relatively little money.I know you can't just throw all those parts on and drive it out on the track the next day.