Drift Spec Suspensions

[Chas]

Originally posted by AdvanTech
So you're saying that any coil-over made for grip driving will be more than good enough for drifting?

Any coilover that makes your car feel right is perfect.

[driftxtreem]

In all reality you are setting your car up to grip. You are overpowering the car do engage a drift. Comon knowlage. Putting slick tires on the rear or over presuring them dont make it a drift setup. We use the ADVAN NEOVAS they are a grip tire this is what you need. GRIP. You need to beable to let off a recover grip insantly for control. Like driving on ice when your done playing you want the control back.

[banged240_drift]

..Just go with tokiko blue HP with some eibach springs..

ive eibachs thier pretty nice, ive got the pro kit, ive got em on stock struts, lookin at kyb's in the future though

i would say this is a good way to determine some settings you like concernign spring rate and shock stiffness, there are less ettings to play with so you get a better feel for some of the few setting that coilovers have
we'll just call it having a few more experience points when/if you upgrade later

[abstrakt01]

Originally posted by driftxtreem
If you have a quality setup you should be allowed to set your own preload on the spring itself with out changing the piston location in the shock body. As for dampening every manufacture uses different piston and washer grades. You just cant call up and order. Shock dyno 30k then you need a few internal like a compresion valve, piston fluid washers, are you running a twin tube or mono, gas or oil, gas,oil mix. What pressure you going to set it at. Just slaping something together with some parts will be the worst you can do. I rebuils shocks every day theres more to it than you think. What about rebound rates verses compression rates. I could right a book here explaining it. My personal opinion is that JIC is a budjet pile then Tein comes to mind. As for kei there a good set up Im not pluging them but I know the quality. KYB, TOKICO for what you get there hard to beet what about Bilstien their a very good shock. Olins there are to many to mention but as far as a drift specific yea you have Kei and there are a few others but this drift specific crap is getting out of hand.

What would you reccomend for a beginner> Who wants a coilover set up, What kind of spring rates do you suggest..and what in your feeling is best for an s13..And if you dont think coilovers are the best first step, What do you reccomend.

[Chas]

Get some JIC's

[driftxtreem]

Originally posted by Chas
Get some JIC's

yea I threw a set in the trash can awhile back

[CrazyHawaiian]

They dont make many roadrace type coilover setups for the Camaro (its all drag stuff). I've been thinking about something ... if the rear shock from a 82-92 Camaro will fit on the rear of an AE86, then any coilovers made for the AE86 should also fit the 82-92 Camaro. DX, what you think about running Kei coilovers (for rear of AE86) on the rear of my heavy Camaro? Would the big difference in weight adversely affect the coilovers? I have another plan for the fronts, but do you think this might work? Lates!

[sil180sx]

Originally posted by Chas
Theres no such thing as DRIFT SPEC. Its all the same stuff. Some coilovers have differnt rates that make them better for drifting, but you can get custom rates from almost any company.

umm actually there is... take for instance tein HA and HE the HA if you drive on them you will be able to feel the difference from the HE when transfering the weight from front to back when steping on the brakes the HA doesnt let the front dip like the HE does... doesnt seem like an important factor? well when trying to choku and then take a corner allowing the front to dip down to transfer weight makes it alot easier to swing the car the other direction and by teins advertisement the HE are a drift spec coilover system. just my 2 cents

[nissanguy_24]

Originally posted by sil180sx
umm actually there is... take for instance tein HA and HE the HA if you drive on them you will be able to feel the difference from the HE when transfering the weight from front to back when steping on the brakes the HA doesnt let the front dip like the HE does... doesnt seem like an important factor? well when trying to choku and then take a corner allowing the front to dip down to transfer weight makes it alot easier to swing the car the other direction and by teins advertisement the HE are a drift spec coilover system. just my 2 cents

I think what he ment was there all the same, the only difference is the spring rate wich you can order custom from any company. I think he was being abit cynical on it.

[X-nobody]

Definitely over cynical..

I'm with sil180sx on this one..
There is such a thing as drift spec, why not?? there's track/circuit spec... drag spec... etc!

its just companies catering to the needs of the drift community.
The suspesnions are designed with the drifter in mind.. Whether it be through difference in shock valving or spring rates its a step in the right direction..

sure could order any combination of spring rates and valving but that would be more of a custom setup which usually equals more $$$! this way there's a small mass production run that equates to a cheaper end user price.

Btw, I beleive the HE's shocks are valved differently than the HA(not just spring spring rates), also with a greater variation between the front and back.

[Tsunami]

Originally posted by CrazyHawaiian
They dont make many roadrace type coilover setups for the Camaro (its all drag stuff). I've been thinking about something ... if the rear shock from a 82-92 Camaro will fit on the rear of an AE86, then any coilovers made for the AE86 should also fit the 82-92 Camaro. DX, what you think about running Kei coilovers (for rear of AE86) on the rear of my heavy Camaro? Would the big difference in weight adversely affect the coilovers? I have another plan for the fronts, but do you think this might work? Lates!

Interesting idea but you've got around 1400lb weight difference in the car. Theoretically that's a 700lbs difference in the back of the car. Which means each shock has to control 350lbs more than it was designed for. Plus racing parts are usually made to be lightweight over strength, so I don't know what kind of overload factor the parts were designed for. Now having said that, if AE86 shocks fit your car then surely you could have somebody make you a set of custom units.

[prodigy]

Originally posted by driftxtreem
yea I threw a set in the trash can awhile back

Why do you say that? I just bought some, and now you got me all nervous. I thought JIC was one of the best you can get. I don't know if you are stating your opinion or if you have some info to back that up. Panda I don't think that you really know what suspension you are best with. I think you learn to drive around the car, just by changing components doesn't mean that the car is automatically going to drift better. Any change is going to take some getting used to.

[raging panda]

yea crazyhawaiian, the only problem with that is the valving on the kei office coilovers is meant for a car that is like half the weight or something less than yours. It might require different valving and a much higher spring rate for what you want from it, but otherwise, I guess it wouldn't be bad.

[Chas]

Do you know the difference in the HA and HE? I do, its the spring rate, HA is F6R5 and the HE is F8R6. See the difference? The HA doesnt have P/U mounts, but the HE does. When i said there no "Drift spec" suspension, i was trying to say that theres nothing differnt about the design really. Its all the same, just spring rate differences.

Quote from Tein
"Specified damping force and spring rate set up for drifting."

Spring rate, thats all it is guys.

[CrazyHawaiian]

I agree with Chas. Same parts pretty much, just a different tune. Darn I was hoping the valving of the Kei Office stuff was universal as in all units have the same capabilities, just different dimensions for each different model/make car. But yeah it makes sense, Hachi is so much lighter it'll probably be different. Oh well, guess I'm sticking with the stock spring / dampener setup.