S13 reduce grip rebound that causes fishtail?

[nissanguy_24]

Yeah when brake drifting i rarely have this problem, THough one tire will end up grabbing because its open and if things arent perfect i get whipped alittle.


Its just about staying on it. Also at lower speeds i was letting the wheel come back into my hand, It works well at higher speeds to a degree. but for the really smooth drifts i have made i seem to be using a combination of that, and actively moving it. Im still working on my technique though.

[SilverGhost]

Originally posted by nissanguy_24
Im still working on my technique though.

yeah, me too

[nissanguy_24]

arent we all? lol

[raging panda]

it shouldnt make too much difference what techique you are using to enter as the exit of a drift should almost always be the same, so I don't think it being a clutch kick or brake drift should make a difference, unless it is the angle that you exit the drift in.

[Drift For Food]

Yeah, in the simplest terms, the rear recatches first. You could modify this with suspension changes or technique changes.

I've only played with the suspension stuff in the virutal world
Sounds scary, but the physics are sound. Suspension changes cost money, but they make the car easier to drift.

For suspension changes, a lighter front sway bar or adding or making the rear sway bar heavier will make the rear stay sliding longer. You try to get both the front and rear to grab at the same time...or at least closer. You're just trying to change the sideways weight shift, basically making it even front and rear.

Techniques are free, but you have to know what to do. I've actually had real life experience with this, lol ;p

As far as techniques, I think most everything was suggested. Since you know the rear will catch first, try to catch the front end quicker. This means straighten out faster/earlier. Also, you could try to loosen the rear end right at the end of the slide by giving it some gas to losen the tires a little right at the start of the catching, same for throttle blip or clutch kick just to give the rear end a little extra looseness. You just have to get used to how it grabs and learn to make the front and rear grab evenly. It's just a matter of getting used to the car.

[sil180sx]

Originally posted by nissanguy_24
But most my drifts even at highspeeds 60+ miles an hour are very smooth A perfect drift is always smooth.

And i am still running an open differential. It isnt perfect, but neither am i yet.

so your saying you drift third gear? you must have close to 400 hp?

[nissanguy_24]

No, i have like 155.. ill be lucky if im putting down 130.. and usualy i drift in the top of second. sometimes im in "D" or third. I dont see why i would have to have hundreds of horse power to drift at that speed. <b>Please enlighten me...</b>

[Drift For Food]

Yeah, you really don't need a large amount to drift. You need quite a bit to have free will over the tires spinning, but to drift, you don't need all that much. My Ranger is rated at 70hp at the flywheel, maybe 50-60hp actually to the wheels. That's driftable with the power it has. It's only driftable on gravel or less, and power enough to have free will over the rear tires spinning only comes in Winter. I run 3rd gear with that cause second tops out at 35mph and most corners are a hair faster, 40-50mph range. It's really a matter of weight shift and modifying your driving style to accomodate the low power. Come in faster, steer a little more into the corner than you normally would, things like that. Whatever allows you to drift with what you have.

[HasNoTiresLeft]

Originally posted by mello88
How long have you been driving your 240sx?

What about lower speed drifts at say 15-30mph, do you ever have this?

On a side note I wish to hell the 240 had cupholders, this wicked fishtail caused me to spill my coffee EVERYWHERE this morning

hahaha yeah u got the same cupholder problem as me, i never buy open top drinks now... and even with my sodas, i open em up FFSSSSSSTt damnit!! lol

[banged240_drift]

yeah
taking out the ashtray works pretty well bt i dont ever drift when ive got crap liek that in the car

i had beenhaving problems with the rebound so i adjusted the countersteerto throttle "ratio" and instead of just letitng the throttle all the way out or pushing in the clutch i let off slower
you might try that , or find a way of your own

but my cars sittin in my garage on jack stands because of that rebound crap
i was drifting a corner i hadnt done before and after driving it pretty quick a few times i drifted it and it liek dipped down and i guess i freaked out but it whipped way sideways the other way and right into a curb, messed alota crap up
but ill be done with her tommorow

[Coiloverkid]

...the problem you speak of is a common occurrence to some folks who dont quite have a embedded technique in their driving style.

Essentially, you aren't counter-steering fast enough and then that snowballs when the car wants to settle. At the time of transfer back to all four wheels in grip; the wheel is still in a counter-steer location, causing the car to lurch in the direction of the front tires.

A good way to improve upon this is maybe take a bright piece of tape and put a strip of it around the top dead center of your wheel (unless your wheel has it stiched in like some sparco wheels). Keep tabs on how many times you turn the wheel and try to bring it back to the same revolution you started, because when the wheels are straight when the car's suspension uncompresses from drifting, it's not going to disturb the line you're taking.

- John

Team Drift Xtreme USA

[sil180sx]

Originally posted by nissanguy_24
No, i have like 155.. ill be lucky if im putting down 130.. and usualy i drift in the top of second. sometimes im in "D" or third. I dont see why i would have to have hundreds of horse power to drift at that speed. <b>Please enlighten me...</b>

ok maybe i mis understood what you meant.... i thought you were saying while you are in a drift you are in 3rd gear. to keep the wheels spinning in a 3rd gear drift you pretty much have to have alot of hp either that or a *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* load of torque at lower rpms

[nissanguy_24]

Im not spinning the wheels, all of my drifting has been done with weight transfer, Its an open diff anyways so simply spinnng the wheels with the throttle isnt very effective.

i hope that clarifies it for you?

[SilverGhost]

yeah, me technique is very similar, as i also run an open diff

at lower speeds (below 50 mph) i use combo of clutch kick and feint. al the higher speed ranges (50+mph) i use brake drift and feint. i have drifted in 3rd gear before, and i had almost stock hp

[driftersil80]

nissan guy, u should post vids of yourself drifting. I would be VERY interested in watching them.