WORLD DRIFT CHAMPIONSHIPS (WDC) vs. FORMULA DRIFT (FD)

[pita bread]

let's stay on the topic which is quoted in this post

Originally posted by AlexPfeiffer
In the history of racing, when ever a form of racing became split and had 2 instead of 1 headlineing series, it was bad for all, including the fans.

[Octagon]

Originally posted by SHIFT_KING


! And then the dude talkin about "Taking away the youth aspect" is pretty off based. Do a poll to find out the true ages of the members here and many have just started driving. This generation has the most wasted income ever. Parents are forking over cash left and right. Every kid wants to be a Tuner and all of this is great. Advertise a drifting event with out the 'Import kiddo aspect' and see how many people DONT show up. The organizations NEED this stuff to get people to come to the events. Drifting is not that big to stand on its own yet.

Tel me, what would a poll on drifting.com prove? The facts you really need to take a look at are Census Bureau reports on mean average incomes of the different age brackets, then start dissecting that against attendance reports at the drifting events, sales of merchandise/concessions, and then chart it by gathering up the number of repeat attendees and finding out how much they spent the second time they attended, and the third, and so on.

And once you've done all that, you have to compare those figures to the figures of every other comparable motorsport outing. This is what a series promoter must do when growing a series. A series promoter has to figure out the way to get the largest number of butts in the seats to watch his main event, and then has to ensure that said number of people wants to return to see said main event again.

As much disposable income as you say that today's youth has (and speaking from experience, you're far overstating it) it's unquestionable that America's families have even more disposable income AS A UNIT. Bring the whole family in as a unit and you'll get a windfall of money, and in order to bring the whole family in (just like Ris4Drft said) you have to remove portions of the program that would be offensive to family units.

[Topics II]

Ive been tryin to follow this thread but dont have much time on actual computers (just my sidekick). But some things that i have noticed is alot of people saying that there is no need for another "pro" series. I know they seem to be pushing it to be a pro series, but the fact that they dont have the support of nearly half of the pro drivers makes it a pretty open competition for one. And also, there ARE amatuer competitions all over the country. Drift Showoff, Drift Association, DG Trials, US Drift, and even some in Florida and Houston i believe.

The fact is with this other series it gives more drivers (amatuer and pro) a chance to get their names out. The WDC has more events all over the country. And with most pro drivers contracted to run Formula D and D1, most of us will not be able to attend these events even if we wanted to. So it gives everyone else a chance to compete in their local area and try to draw in sponsers. And if you do well in the competition, someone will probably support you to get you to the next event.

Formula D is a much more respected competitive series in the states. They have worked with the drivers and with the sponsers to make the best series they can. And the majority of us drivers will not leave that based on talk. So i dont see why so many people are complaining about another pro series because it really isnt heading in that direction.

[Toycoma]

Ive been tryin to follow this thread but dont have much time on actual computers (just my sidekick). But some things that i have noticed is alot of people saying that there is no need for another "pro" series. I know they seem to be pushing it to be a pro series, but the fact that they dont have the support of nearly half of the pro drivers makes it a pretty open competition for one. And also, there ARE amatuer competitions all over the country. Drift Showoff, Drift Association, DG Trials, US Drift, and even some in Florida and Houston i believe.

The fact is with this other series it gives more drivers (amatuer and pro) a chance to get their names out. The WDC has more events all over the country. And with most pro drivers contracted to run Formula D and D1, most of us will not be able to attend these events even if we wanted to. So it gives everyone else a chance to compete in their local area and try to draw in sponsers. And if you do well in the competition, someone will probably support you to get you to the next event.

Formula D is a much more respected competitive series in the states. They have worked with the drivers and with the sponsers to make the best series they can. And the majority of us drivers will not leave that based on talk. So i dont see why so many people are complaining about another pro series because it really isnt heading in that direction.

now that is a great point of view.

[s0nny80y]

Reminds me of the AFC and NFC and how the NFL was created. If this works out, we might have the Super Bowl of all drift competitions

[AlexPfeiffer]

We do, its D1. FD and WDC are basicly feeder series for D1.

[the riot hero]

I personally will be competing in formula D out of my own pocket for EVERY expense, im 20 years old and funding myself to get to these events. i dont have alot of money but im working very hard to get my car competitive and my skills up to par. i will be in jersey for the first event, i will be in atlanta i will be in houston, ill be to every one i can if i qualify or not.


i would be willing to compete in WDC if i were invited, which im not. really all i care about is drifting, i dont care about the politics, i dont care about what series is doing what, as long as i get my seat time im happy. i have no plans ot be the best drifter in the world, all i plan to do is finish top 16 and im happy. hopefully ill pick up a sponor or 2 along the way so im not living off ramen noodles for the next 3 year becaus eim in heavy debt over travelling th US to drift. WDC says if you go to every event theyll pay travel fees, this is VERY compelling especially for someone without any sponsorships like myself. maybe the WDC has something good going for them.

[Charlie@JustDrift]

promises means nothing loyalty means more. the paper we signed with WDC that stated our intentions to run didn't mean anything to us drivers. but to the organizers it meant the world. they used it as a marketing tool to sell to their sponsors. i realized that after signing it. formulaD worked hard to where they are today and awhile ago when we asked for an american born series, they gave us just that. now, after they worked hard to give us what we wanted... we're not gonna leave them and go some where else are we?

wdc organizers are cool but they need a better structure than what they presented us with last drivers meeting.

fd organizers are way cool, they help their drivers with everything they can and they don't stop trying even when they don't have as much funds.
we all have decisions to make on which series to support because not all of us can afford to go both, none of the decisions are wrong, some has more consequences than the others. but remember to have fun when drifting!

justDRIFT!
Charlie

[SilviaLove]

Originally posted by : AlexP

Right now, i dont like ether of these forms. I only trust in decisions made by drifters and not someone who thinks they know what drifting is supposed to be.

I totaly agree that this is what drifting needs. Although i have not done the appropriate reseach on the WDC verses FD; my basic thoughts are the same as Alex's.

Originally posted by : Ghost of Duluth

One way to bring this under control is a unified Drivers association.

This is an excellent example of forward thinking because if it doesn't already exist, to help driftings growing pains, unification is neccessary.

[j.r.]

Just to let everyone know A drifters union has been started....It is very unoffical at the moment (but at least it is a group of drivers with voices) however that will be changing in the near future...many of the FormulaD drivers are aware of it and once it is concrete and everything is put in place all competition drivers will know about it.

[the riot hero]

i think some you guys may be taking this too seriously, this is supposed to be fun, a union now? come on now... we just finished up ONE season of a professional series, gimme a break. youre tlaking about series moving too fast you guys are going nuts. i dont think a union is necessary, i dont think bitching about WDC is going to solve anything either, its going to be what its going to be. the drivers should be in it to drift not starting unions and trying to gain political positions within the sport.

the way i see it is youre all moving way too fast. the season hasnt even started yet.

alot of you guys have free rides to go slide your car around infront of a bunch of people, why the hell would you complan? ill be paying roughly 1200 out of my own pocket per evnt in travel fees and some tires ALONE, and you dont see me complaining.

[Ghost of Duluth]

you dont see me complaining.

Actually we did, your whole post was complaining, just about different things.

The pro's have sponsers that make it easier to slide their cars around in front of people, sure they do, but they would also like to keep them. So a unified drivers association is needed, you of all people should realize this since you are having to foot your own bills to go Drifting. It sucks as you have reminded us of that fact. The pro's don't want to be back in that situation so they are banding together.

[j.r.]

i think some you guys may be taking this too seriously, this is supposed to be fun, a union now? come on now... we just finished up ONE season of a professional series, gimme a break. youre tlaking about series moving too fast you guys are going nuts. i dont think a union is necessary, i dont think bitching about WDC is going to solve anything either, its going to be what its going to be. the drivers should be in it to drift not starting unions and trying to gain political positions within the sport.

the way i see it is youre all moving way too fast. the season hasnt even started yet.

alot of you guys have free rides to go slide your car around infront of a bunch of people, why the hell would you complan? ill be paying roughly 1200 out of my own pocket per evnt in travel fees and some tires ALONE, and you dont see me complaining.

I dont think anyone on here is complaining. I think drivers are voicing concerns about a sport they love and care about its longevity. I agree this is supposed to be fun and as I said in a earlier post I would just love to drive and not worry about this stuff however it needs to be worried about for everyones benefit. A union is not about gaining political positions it is about being smart and planning ahead. This issue is one small issue of many that will pop up in this sport and it is very smart for us the drivers to have the infrastructure to deal with these issues as one voice so that everyone is heard. Is today to early for it maybe will next week be who knows better to get it rolling now than scurry for it when the need arrises.

As far as your investment in yourself you are talking about with tires and travel fees. You could complain about that if you like but we have all been there and I respect that you are making that investment in yourself as we all have and I garuntee if you are as dedicated as 99% of us it will all payoff for you.

Hope to see you out there this season,

JR

[the riot hero]

ok, i understand. sorry if i sounded angry but from talking to some "Pros" (will remain un named) ive been pretty bitter about it, as they were talking to me like they were rockstars or something. it does seam to me that some of these guys are expecting too much out of their sponsors, one guy mentioned being paid like a football player? this isnt WRC or F1.

i just hope some of the Pro guys dont lose their roots and sell out and ruin the sport as it seams like it may be heading that way. id hate to see talented drivers trade the passion for the persuit of MORE MONEY. but this is america, i guess i shouldnt expect much else.

but i understand the union now, sorry.

[Al]

I didn't read anything about WDC nor I have any idea what their rule book is.

As of right now we are planning to run with FD.

-Al