the mods done to the gto

[my 1 88 u]

As for the shark fins, the fans love Silvia's with more wings and winglets than you can shake a stick at, so what's wrong with a few sheets of Lexan on a GTO? Millen's guys thought of something nobody else did, plain and simple. When we start killing innovation, we start taking it closer to a series with all the cars similar, like NHRA or NASCAR.

Innovation and drifting is an oxymoron, why do you think we drive 10+ year old cars. Technology builds speed, if you want faster, go grip. The only advancements needed is dependability so what happened to Chis this past saturday won't happen again, and driver ability.

[fbmx24]

Its kind of funny how everyone hates the GTO when the rsr s200 has just as many mods done to it. The steering rack has also been changed it has carbon fiber body panels. It has as much if not more done to it. I personally like both cars, but its just really annoying when people talk bad on the GTO becuase its an american car. They say its becuase of the mods but the main reason is becuase its an american car. If you dont belive me then everyone that hates the GTO should also hate the s2000 since it has the same type of mods done to it. But they dont becuase its a japanese car. The car doesnt make you a good driver, you have to have skills to be a good driver. Alex P. ruled in his Hachi and he rules in the s2000 so that goes to show its not the car that makes them good. So all this talk about the cars recking the sport of drifting is insane.

[lookoutmike]

adjusting steering angle is innovation, adding power is innovation, making a better cooling system is innovation, fully adjustable suspension is innovation. for those of us who have been sliding longer than 2 years, we remember before all of that was used so, innovation is a good thing. besides, if there isnt support for new ideas and new ways to make cars better, manufacturers and aftermarket companies will lose interest therefore killing the sport. and i repeat...FD is a professional series, it isnt supposed to be affordable that way any joe with a couple grand cant go out there and hurt himself. motorsport is for those with money or those willing to do anything to make it happen. if small teams cant afford to keep up r&d wise with the bigger teams they should go somewhere where they can afford to compete. like our series. lol. Professional implies money or else the companies wouldnt back it.

[Aiki-Drift]

Well said. Admire the cars but acknowledge the driver and his/her skill.

[Charlie@JustDrift]

that lexan "thing" you see on the hood is called 'wind split' - it's been around since 80's.

[Octagon]

There already are sprint cars on pavement. Hell, there's 3 different touring series in the Ohio, Indiana, and Pennsylvania area just for winged asphalt sprint cars.

AVSS (Auto Value Super Sprints), GLOSS (Great Lakes Outlaw Sprint Series), and HOSS (Hoosier Outlaw Sprint Series).

Many of the modifications mentioned so far aren't outside of the realm of the normal gearhead, they're just outside of the scope of the typical "tuner".

I was raised around supermodifieds. Anyone familiar with them knows that they're 100% handbuilt machines. The frames, suspensions, bodies, headers (most guys start with either a Husler, Schoenfeld, or Hooker, and then cut 'em up), and many engine components are completely hand-fabricated by the owners who are also more frequently than not the chief mechanics, drivers, and sponsor.

The result is cars like this 1998 Allegresso-Bartel chassis.



This is about $30,000 worth of tube steel, reconstructed coil-overs, and man hours, and another 30 to 55k in 468ci methanol burning mechanically injected Chevy big block.

Now, how is this relevant? Because it's one of only 5 cars like it in the world built by two guys (Mr. Allegresso and Mr. Bartel) in New England. It shares no chassis components with any other cars beyond those 5, and yet the men enthusiastic enough to race supermodifieds buy these cars and through grit, determination, and a little skill with a band saw, lathe, and welder, keep them running for years.

There are supermods that were originally built in the late 70's that are still winning races because their owners sit down with pieces of steel and aluminum and engineer out the deficiencies.

Any schmuck can order parts out of a catalog and make a potent machine. A talented schmuck might actually get a competitive machine out of those parts.

A real builder scraps the damned catalog and BUILDS their own parts. You want modification? Then be prepared for people to make modifications THAT WORK. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for people who can't keep up with the curve of competition. If you can buy tools and materials, you can get ahead of the game. How much do you honestly think that little lexan scrap cost? A lot less than anything out of the Tein catalog, I'll tell you that.

And yet, it works. And it proves my point entirely. Inegenuity, determination, engineering. You use THOSE to win on the technical end. It's possible, and it's been done with grassroots motorsports for years on top of years.

Stop complaining that you can't keep up with actual engineering, drop your nancy boy catalogs, AND BUILD 'EFFIN RACE CARS.

[my 1 88 u]

Stop complaining that you can't keep up with actual engineering, drop your nancy boy catalogs, AND BUILD 'EFFIN RACE CARS.

And this is the first time I dissagree with you octagon. This is not a race

[soultron]

And this is the first time I dissagree with you octagon. This is not a race

This is what my girlfriend said after hearing your response -
" Race car, Performance car, whatever. Picky nerd."

And if rhys's car is such an abomination, why is this car ok?



Come on everyone. It's about having fun and making money.

[DomLee]

I have no problems w/ ANY car competing in D1. From your standard S13 to a vintage El Camino to your FWD Honda Civic Hatchback to the WRX.

Well...I guess there is ONE requirement that I would like to see. That the vehicle MUST be a mass produced vehicle (of say 100+ units per year for example) that retains the stock chassis. No tube frame chassis that sport carbon fiber shells (like NASCAR, etc.) allowed. Basically...a car like the Ultima GTR would not be allowed...whereas a Ferrari 360 would. Some exceptions can be made upon approval I guess.

I would like to see some different cars enter the mix. Some BMWs, a Porsche, etc.

[Topics II]

Come on everyone. It's about having fun and making money.

Making money!? whos making any money!? hahaha

[soultron]

Making money!? whos making any money!? hahaha

Good point I guess, I was thinking more about the event management and parts companies and the like.

[Topics II]

Good point I guess, I was thinking more about the event management and parts companies and the like.

Yeah I know im just messing around. For us drivers, its still only for the fun!

P.S. back to the topic.

[my 1 88 u]

This is what my girlfriend said after hearing your response -
" Race car, Performance car, whatever. Picky nerd."

And if rhys's car is such an abomination, why is this car ok?



Come on everyone. It's about having fun and making money.

I'm not tripping on the car, I'm just afraid that one day competitive driftcars will have so many special wings to keep it sayways that it can't drive like it's street counterpart.

[fast_datsun]

RYS and his crew worked hard for months (over a year) to build a car that is competive. the JDM cars have been under construction for years and have 90% of there parts available over the counter. RMR worked hard to be the best and put the hour in to get there, I think they deserve all the rewards they get. Rys is a experanced driver with Excallant skills and together a KILLER combo!!!!! Congrats on winning NJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mack @ Mckinney Motorsports.

[driftersil80]

If the GTO had many parts (that are for drifting) over the counter and RMR was STILL building their own parts, I would be mad. But since there are almost no over the counter parts for drifting a GTO, custom fab is OK. Same goes for the RSR S2K. The S2K is NOT a well tested drift car, so there NEEDS to be custom parts to make it drift good. If this requires an RX-7 steering rack here, some custom suspension work there, then so be it. And think about this. All of this custom fab can sort of be thought of as R&D for a car. Meaning the custom parts that these teams are using on their cars might inspire a major parts company to make and mass produce similar parts. So, your S2000 may be just as driftable as Alex P's in a few years. Oh well enough ranting.......