Buying 240SX....

[EvilEwok]

Hm

They could be stiffer I guess, just from the thought of the S13 being a first examination of the silvia line. Nissan could have implemented a softer ride in the S14 thinking that the larger frame compared to the S13 would have to go along with different setups.

As for looks I like the S14 Kouki more than the Zenki (zenki = R33 headlight look, first series). But the 180sx just caters more to me. I like Fastbacks and hatchs instead of trunkys.

[J-BloodAE86]

i like the S13 silvia headlights better than the pop ups generally, but i like fastbacks too, so the sileighty is my fave. It seems that the hatch would probably be better for drifting due to the tail sticking out less and also because of better visability

[marshun]

i like hatchbacks too. i own two of'em .

but i believe that the s13 is stiffer because i have driven both of them with similiar setups. apex coil's and thats it :P. the s14 doesnt feel as cool drifting... but it looks nice. and the reason i'd take an s14 over a s13 is just because its newer and less likely to have rust. just take a look at allot of s13's, rust. not to say that i wouldnt take care of it. but i sure do hate doin the work on it :P.

[J-BloodAE86]

where do you live marshun? rust doesn't seem to be a huge problem in so cal area, though you still have to look for it when buying a car

[marshun]

Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
where do you live marshun? rust doesn't seem to be a huge problem in so cal area, though you still have to look for it when buying a car

i live in hawaii. and i wanted a s13 before. but... i didnt find a nice cheap one without huge holes of rust on it :P. so i bought my $50 corolla from a tow yard.

[J-BloodAE86]

nice, yah I can see how rust would be a big prob over there! Hella humid

[Silvia S14]

Originally posted by EvilEwok
Alright, to lay the lines the american version was the 240, there never really was a 240 in japan, its always been Silvia, in the late 80s there were two 240sx models, the fast back, and the 2dr sedan. In japan, the fastback was known as the 180sx. As in the name it was powered by a 1.8l known as the ca18det. Now, the other model (2dr sedan) was the S13 Silvia. Which was powered by an early version of the sr20det.

1:40AM CST

WTF is a 2dr Sedan? Sedan means it's a 4dr, idiot. the Zenki Silvia and 180SX (1988-1990) both had the CA18DE(T) and both the Silvia and 180SX got SR20DE(T) (redtops) from 1991 onward.

Originally posted by EvilEwok
Redtop was the S13 engine and some of the S14s, the zenki I think, the kouki were the start of the blacktops. Also the 90 180sx had a redtop

1:43AM CST

S14s all had the S14 variation of the blacktop with the VTC on the intake cam and a slant in the rear valve cover.

Originally posted by EvilEwok
it was basically the same information that S14 put in I guess I deserve a cookie for at least trying.

1:45AM CST

Same? I disagree... go back and look at your mistakes. The difference is like chocolate and *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*.

Originally posted by EvilEwok
I really don't think he deserves to be on this forum, he isn't showing any type of being friendly, he's actually being a major *Censored**Censored**Censored* and a conceited *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* that isn't taking in the fact that all my information was the same as his when me and that other dude were posting.

To bad eh?

1:46AM CST

I could give 2 tug of a dead dog's *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* if you think I "deserve" to be here or not Jr. All your "information" is *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*ing bunk and if you think they are the same, go read that *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* again.

Originally posted by EvilEwok
They could be stiffer I guess, just from the thought of the S13 being a first examination of the silvia line. Nissan could have implemented a softer ride in the S14 thinking that the larger frame compared to the S13 would have to go along with different setups.

1:49AM CST

See? You don't know *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*. What does chassis stiffness have to do with ride quality? You can *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*ing weld a god damn cage in your car and significantly increase chassis rigidy and still have a softer ride. The S14 chassis is stiffer then the S13, this is fact, just as the S15 is stiffer then the S14.

Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
It seems that the hatch would probably be better for drifting due to the tail sticking out less and also because of better visability

1:54AM CST

WTF? Tail sticking out less? Better Visibility? Dumb *Censored**Censored**Censored*, the coupe and fastback's wheel base is the same length, with the same underpinnings. As for visibility? WTF? I don't even understand what that has to do with anything. It's like you just made that up.

[Silvia S14]

Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
S14 is just a computer nerd that doesn't know how to deal with real people, just let him *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* and moan at how stupid we all are, and just ignore him. This is a drifting forum, not a brag-bout-your-almighty-knowledge-of-nissans forum, so we'll talk drifting and just let him be.

p.s., thanks for the cinnamon roll ewok

Your insults are so scathing.. I think I'm gonna go cry now.

I never said anything that wasn't true. If I called you stupid, then thats YOUR *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*ing fault. Don't want me to call you stupid? Then don't say stupid *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored*! How SIMPLE is that?

This is a "drifting" forum.. too bad no one here really drifts. Kinda funny, I found this place because word of mouth among the drift community (not to be confused with the iDrift community) has spread around about the cretins that were breeding here.

[J-BloodAE86]

get a girlfriend

and even though the wheelbase is the same, if you look at the two, the silvia's rear bumper extends more than the bumper on the fastback. Alot of the damage to drift cars is from hitting the wall when flicking out the rear, (for example 3/4 pros at drift showoff) so having less overhang is an advantage. And if you have ever drifted both the fastback and the coupe, (which you obviously haven't) the fastback has less blindspots due to smaller and more set foward rear pillars, giving (in my opinion) a better view and drivers and objects behind you.

[EvilEwok]

Hah

You really do have to much time on your hands don't you?

[J-BloodAE86]

what s14? No anger filled retorts?

[marshun]

Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
nice, yah I can see how rust would be a big prob over there! Hella humid

hehe yes it is. lately is been incredibly humid. the late night sessions have been damn hot!

and yo s14... chill. its nice to see that you know all this stuff. but honestly it seems like youre a magazine racer. just relax. it seems like you really want to prove how good you are. if thats the case, post up a video clip of your drifts. but if you want to just prove how much you know about the 240 platform then i'll be first to say it. you know allot about'em.

[J-BloodAE86]

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| thank you marshun!

ya i am going to hawaii in august, ima try and go to drift session if they have a event going the time i'm there. maybe someone will let me borrow a car . What island are you on?

[TJ86]

Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
and even though the wheelbase is the same, if you look at the two, the silvia's rear bumper extends more than the bumper on the fastback. Alot of the damage to drift cars is from hitting the wall when flicking out the rear, (for example 3/4 pros at drift showoff) so having less overhang is an advantage. And if you have ever drifted both the fastback and the coupe, (which you obviously haven't) the fastback has less blindspots due to smaller and more set foward rear pillars, giving (in my opinion) a better view and drivers and objects behind you.

I disagree J-Blood.

The rear overhang on coupe and hatch should be the same. They share the same rear bumper, and same basic chassis. The door pillars should also be the same on both the hatch and the coupe since the two cars share the same doors.

For the sake of proving , I went and got a sideshot of a S13 Silvia coupe and a S13 180SX hatch and lined them up by the wheel hubs and door sills. You'll see that the rear overhangs for both cars are the same. The only difference would be the front overhang between a Silvia nose and a 180SX nose.



Data sheet on S13-15
http://www.nissansilvia.co.nz/tech/S...SX%20Table.htm

According to this website the length of a Silvia is 4470mm while a 180SX is 4520mm. The two have the same wheelbase of 2475mm Looking at the picture above, it's safe to say the extra length is in the nose. Another interesting note, is that the S14 is shorter in overall lenght than a 180SX while having a longer wheelbase. Doesn't that mean shorter overhangs? By your reasoning, wouldn't a S14 be a better drifter than an S13 180SX because of this?


If there is any gained visibility the hatch has, it is because the side glass in the back is bigger. I honestly don't know what advantage you would gain from better rear view visibility. It seems more like an advantage for parking rather than actual drifting. When drifting I never recall myself looking over my shoulder to see what's behind me during mid drift, even during tandem drifts. Whenever I do have someone drifting behind me, I'm trusting that he is skilled enough to make up for any of my mistakes. If I look over my shoulder, then that means I've probably messed up, and made myself a obstacle for the driver in back of me.

[J-BloodAE86]

ic, i was just eyeballing the rear, i see that it is the same, but i still belive visiblitly is better in the hatch, i doesn't have any c pillars at all! I do use the rear view mirror when i practice drifting, to check my distance from objects behind me (walls, mountain sides), though i don't look during exhibitions because i focus more on my line and angle. i have never tandem drifted, but i assume i wouldn't use the rvm in that situation either. I didn't say i would buy a hatch over an onevia, i value the looks of the onevia more than the meager visibility gains, i didn't even say it would make much of a difference during drifting. The only thing i thought would make even the slightest difference during drifting was the overhang, which i guess is actually the same. I didn't ever say the 180sx would be better at drifting than a S14, i don't even belive it would be better at drifitng than silvia, because 95% of drifting is driver skill. Personally, i think the s13 is a better drift car than the S14 because i belive it has more driver feedback (the S14 felt soft when driving to me, even though it had a few suspension mods). I don't belive the miniscule difference between wheelbases and overhangs between the two would make much of a difference. all i said was it is an advantage, not that it denotes the drifting ablities of the entire car. If that was true, the Mini Cooper would be the best drift car ever. Your conclusions pulled form my posts are ubsurd (S14 better than a 180sx solely because of the overhang) and you could of simply pointed out my flaw by posting the numbers, instead of going to the whole trouble you went to to prove me wrong. It is that kind of elitist mentality that ruins the forum, and in the long run, the community. Everyone is learning here, drifting is new to the US.