First drift/FF drift...

[vertiay]

The reason could be a little too much counter-steer but mainly do to in FF you have to e-brake in a big drift because when you get to the point that the rear slows enough to get traction the rear tires will grab sending the car forward instead of sideways. In a FR you give the car gas to keep the rear free of getting traction. Thats why when he got the rear end out and it started to slow the rear grabbed pavement and started pushing the car forward of the rear wheels.

[Coiloverkid]

this thread is pathetic

[chrisfromda909]

no one forced you to read it.

and veritay he was in the dirt.

[Drift For Food]

Yeah, the countersteering didn't help. What basically happened was that the rear end got loose because of the pull from the front tires. You can usually swing the rear end out when going at a good speed on gravel. It's something that doesn't occur as much on pavement...unless you're trying.

If you're going slow it's different, but at high speeds, gravel turns to marbles, kinda. Your tires don't have a lot of contact time with the road. The car is far more prone to "wander" around and everything feels loose, cause well it is. There's also aerodynamics as well. Usually a car will lift up off the road a little as speed increases, primarily the rear end.

When you head around a corner under throttle, the rear end will slide out a little. There's no need to countersteer though cause it's not going anywhere. You can countersteer a tiny bit if you want, but without power to the rear wheels or with the e-brake engages, it's not going anywhere.

If you're not used to it, you'll countersteer and start fishtailing while you countersteer back and forth...or as in your friends case, just slam on the brakes and bring the car to a stop at whatever angle it was facing.

Most everyone does the same thing when they first start driving. The first time the rear gets loose, you get very countersteer happy and start fishtailing the car like mad until you slow down or brake and regain control. It's funny to watch, but it's freaky to experience.

As far as techniques, you can still use pretty much everything that works for rwd, except you can't use the throttle to keep the rear end out. You can use feint, braking, and e-brake techniques. Powerover and shift shift-lock will do the opposite of that of a rwd. Since you'd be manipulating the front end instead of the rear. I think I'm missing one...not sure.

I started off playing with fwd drifting. Rwd is definately more fun, but you can still get some concepts from fwd. You can practice the feint and e-brake just the same. Braking does the same thing. However, in mid corner, you can't just apply throttle like a rwd. All you can do is continue e-braking or braking through the turn. Since I didn't have a hand e-brake in my car, I never actually used it before for drifting. My first car had one, but I just used it for spinning out back then. I'm a big fan of feint and braking even now with a rwd. With a fwd car, you can control the length of the slide with a feint. The stronger you do it, the farther out the rear end will go. Combined with heavy braking, you can initiate a drift with any car reguardless of drive type. Braking alone works as well, but you have to be comfortable coming into a corner at high speeds. You better really know the car. Feint can be done at a constant speed, braking, or accelerating. e-brake is probably the safest cause you can pretty much guarantee a drift at any time.

When playing around with drifting on a fwd, don't get too countersteer happy. You have to first learn how much you actually need. On a fwd, the rear end will break loose, then catch again a short time later. Countersteering when loose will make you very prone for whipping the car right in the ditch. Learn how it brakes loose and catches naturally. Then start countersteering as much as needed.

[chrisfromda909]

yeah go find a deserted airport and slide around the tarmac and get used to your car

oh uhh just kidding... as this may be against federal trespassing laws...

go to a sactioned drift event... ask for help from the instructors... and have fun

[Ichi-Go]

Hey thanks for the replys.

This is some good FF drifting info and I think all FF drifters should read it.

[Drift For Food]

It would be nice if there were some informational videos like the drift bible for a fwd setup. I know a lot of people don't concider it drifting. Still a lot of priciples apply. It would be nice for say a fwd drift video to highlight the specific differences between both fwd and rwd setups. What's the same and what's differernt? How do I learn on one and change to the other? How do I have to change my techniques? I know this may never happen with so many people kind of excluding fwd cars from the concept of drifting, but still it would be nice.

[fc3slideways]

i used to drift my 92 duster on a few dirt roads near me. well we just called it rallying. i would have to weight transfer cuz i had to ebrake and im to poor to fix it, that almost happen to me a few times and almost hit a few trees i noticed that some parts of the road were different like hard and soft. so some traction might just pop up wen u dont want it to

[RallyGT]

FF actually means Front engine front drive...i dont know how to do that quote thing...so yeah.

[DoriFuta-]

Snap-Back

I am also an FF Drifter and I have noticed that on some occaision that when i get into a drift and then as i come out and the car goes to straighten out that i get a little ~Snap~ back in the other direction of the way that i was drifting.

Abriviation Meanings:
FF=Front Engine Front Drive
FR=Front Engine Rear Drive
FWD Or AWD=Front Engine All Wheel Drive
MR=Mid Engine Rear Drive
RR=Rear Engine Rear Drive
So on And So Forth.....

The first letter means where the engine is in the car and the second letter means whether the front or rear tires do the driving.

[nissanguy_24]

Re: Snap-Back

Originally posted by DoriFuta-
I am also an FF Drifter and I have noticed that on some occaision that when i get into a drift and then as i come out and the car goes to straighten out that i get a little ~Snap~ back in the other direction of the way that i was drifting.

This is not exclusive to to FF vehichles, Search for "snap back" and you will find numerous threads on the subject, its a big problem new drifters have. and can later be used by more skilled drifters to initiate a second drift.

[DoriFuta-]

Never said that it was just an FF thing, i am just saying that i have had it happen to me a couple times.
Yes, i think it is coused by to much oversteer when exiting a drift and not straightening the wheel intime so that you don't get the snap back so the car wants to go in the direction that the front wheels are taking it thus making the car snap and come back to make the turn into the second driift.

[mranlet]

Re: Re: Snap-Back

Originally posted by nissanguy_24
letter be

Is that saying you're a fan of Sesame Street or the Beatles?

If you have a stuff enough rear suspension and soft enough front you don't need to E-brake. Just turning and then initiating engine-braking on the front will cause the rear to come around.

-MR

[nissanguy_24]

Originally posted by DoriFuta-
Never said that it was just an FF thing, i am just saying that i have had it happen to me a couple times.

That wasnt my implication, I just wanted to add to what you were saying.

And as for mranlet man! lol i have to be careful around you dont i?

[DoriFuta-]

Drft

I actualy don't use brakes at all. even in low gear (say 2nd gear) i can make my car drift, so yes, engine braking is how i drift.