the latest..

[Bebop]

grab and hang... hang on tight... because if you let go.... one less viable source credibility.

Yea.... that kid is essentially did...

I told my mother a long time ago, if I get hurt and I'm in a vegetative state.... pull the plug.

[CamelTouge]

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Originally Posted by MonkeySlide View Post
He wasn't drifting when he crashed no media outlet ever mentioned drifting having anything to do with the accident.

That's great. So because he wasn't drifting this isn't worthy a discussion? What if it's later revealed that he was drifting?
It doesn't matter either way, he was a part of this community.

My two cents...

Colin McRae didnt die while he was rallying, but you know that the Rally and Subaru forums are still talking about him.

Either way, it is worthy of a discussion AND NOT AN F'N ARGUEMENT.

As good or as bad as a driver that Hogan was, he was a notable driver for the drifting community.

If the exact same incident happened with JR, Hubert, Ernie, or another notable drifter, you guys would still talk and discuss it, and the effects that it has on drifting as a professional motorsport.

Bottom line is, Nick made a huge mistake. I think that to other people (or corporations) looking into drifting, they MAY see it as irresponsible kids doing "crazy sliding" with their cars. Im sure this incident made some sort of negative impact on the drifting and import community. As to how much, I nor anyone of us can answer that.

Ive met Nick on several occasions. He is a down to earth kid/guy that made a huge mistake. It could've been worse. Thank goodness it wasnt. I hope the best for the Hogan/Bollea family and I pray for the passenger.

[MonkeySlide]

First off to Monkey, your the one who's making this heated. If you don't like the subject, then don't post. It's as easy as that.

First of all I didn't just jump into this thread trying to answer a question that no body asked. In fact it was the complete opposite. The first thing Double M Star said after he quoted those sites was..

Is this topic taboo here?
If so, why? Is it or is it not relative to this forum?

Then I answered his question with my first response and then I got asked again directly..

Why so resistant?

And now, I'm being asked one more time...

So far I have only seen one person against it, and it's you. Why?

So eomund I think you should read over things again before you start telling me when I should and shouldn't post.

And now once again I'll answer the question that was posed to me.

The reason why I'm against this topic being disucssed here is because his accident (the circumstances that it happend, why it happend, how it happend) have absolutely positively nothing to do with drifting.

Yes this is a General Discussion board but it clearly says up there that its General Dicussion for DRIFTING.

The sport/culture/scene of drifting has nothing to do with Nick Hogan's accident. I think just because Nick used to be a pro-drifter isn't enough to justify starting a thread that is dedicated to all of his legal conflicts that come after his accident.

What ever happens to him legally is in no way, shape, or form going to affect the sport or culture of drifting at all. NOPI isn't going to have to pay his legal fees. The Federal Government isn't going to ban organized drifting because of this. This whole side of the story is virtually irrelevant to the purpose of this board.

This isn't a legal forum or a site for criminal justice majors.

I have not seen any local or national news program report this. I come here for relevant information. Relevant = drifting ANYTHING. (yes, I find this site pretty informative for the most part and thank you Drifting.com)

You quoted information from E! online and some other celebsite called entertainmentwise.com but you can't find any where else that talked about this story? If you google "Nick Hogan Accident" you get over 370,000 results and on the first page you'll find hits for Fox News and CNN.

If anyone here has any "interest" in whats going on with this...they have no excuse for not being able to find PLENTY of info about it in THOUSANDS of other places.

It's not like if its not posted here no one else in the drifting community will ever find out about it.

You either don't have a TV or never heard of google if you can honestly tell me you never saw a national or local news program talk about the Nick Hogan accident.

Why? It's a civil discussion. Do we need to pull from Rueters and the AP wires to have civil discussions? Last I checked, Bob Woodward wasn't a registered Drifting.com member..

Are you really going to compare eonline.com and entertainmentwise.com to the Associated press and Rueters???

Maybe you didn't already know but sites like the one you quoted count on gossip and hearsay for foundations to "stories." You talk about having a civil discussion but even if you throw out the fact that the subject doesn't belong here, if you're going to have a civil disucssion about legal matters you dont pull your fact from the same websites that talk about J-Lo pregnancy rumors.

Are you going to lead the way with a match and a gas can?

So I'm flaming now because my answer doesn't line up with what you think?

I appreciate you apologizing for the instigations earlier but I dont appreciate people trying to make me out to be the bad guy when all I did was give an answer to a question that you asked.

Besides that, the info you posted isn't even THAT recent. It's been practically a week since news broke that he got his license suspended.

There are several notable media outlets that post on this board:

Modified Magazine

Drift Live

Everything Drift

FloridaRacing.org

Heck Mark LIVES in Florida...he was the first one to post the story here and would know any new developments on the story before any one of us would.

Did you see any of these people making another thread about the same thing after the first one got closed?

Everything that was relevant and worth discussing was already discussed in that thread. Now its closed..but it doesn't mean someone can't go back and read the same bloody thing that people are saying in this thread.

"Nick made a mistake he shouldn't have been street racing ...its stupid and dangerous"

If all you care about is making this thread into some kinda PSA then thats the only part that should matter....and its already in another thread.

Posting about his suspended license and anything else that may or may not happen legally doesn't add to that lesson at all. Its just legal gossip and semantics.

Colin McRae didnt die while he was rallying, but you know that the Rally and Subaru forums are still talking about him.

I really tried to fight my sarcasim on this one but I just can't...

Please tell me who your dealer is because I want to know what you were smoking when you decided to try and relate Colin McRae to Nick Hogan???

Colin McRae is a rally GOD and has been for almost as long as some of us have been alive. He was a National HERO to his native Scotland. He touched the lives of millions of people!

Nick Hogan was a pro-drifter for all of 5 to 6 months!

I've met Nick Hogan too. Hell I was one of the first people to give him his first print interviews when he went for his license. I hung out with him, Hulk, AND Colin McRae for an entire day of testing at Irwindale. I like the kid too and I think hes talented.

But to try and compare his situation to Colin McRae? Are you kidding me??

Yes tons of Suby boards and Rally boards lit up like a super nova when he was tragically killed...but you know what? All they did was talk about what happend, expressed their condolances...and moved on.

I highly doubt you'll go to any rally/suby forum and find threads specifically about what can legally happen to Colin McRae's family what laws were broken and what people are going to "learn" from it. And if you do find a thread like that I'm pretty sure it will either be closed or there will be tons of people flaming the OP for posting something like that.

I never said that nothing about this should have ever been posted...all I'm saying is ..something was posted...everything relevant was disucssed...and then it was closed.

Nothing more is going to be accomplished by a new thread thats about the same thing but with "new developments" like his license getting taken away.

And to anyone saying "what if its revealed that he was drifting when he crashed" I say please dont hurt yourself from all that STRETCHING.

There was no police report or whitness report that said anything close to the possibility that Nick was drifting when he crashed.

He was on a straight line street in a high powered Supra lined up against a Viper.

Do you really think Nick turned to the Viper and said "Hey...you wanna NOT take advantage of the obvious opportunity to street race and DRIFT?!"

Anyway since Double M Star apologized for what he did I'll say if I came off as condecending I'm sorry too.

However I will say this. To Double M Star and anyone else who thinks I shouldn't have posted here I say..

Dont ask questions that you dont want the answers to.

So with that I'm done. Unless someone directs another post AT me I'm not going to post in this thread again as I'm sure its probably going to get closed soon anyway by Ghost or someone else.

[Double M Star]

You've twisted my words but that's ok.... most know what I said/meant.

This is a petty arguement about posting this topic.

Let's try to get back on track here.

[CamelTouge]

you completely missed my point.

although he wasnt drifting when he crashed, be was a DRIFTER. He is known through the drifting community.

dont you think when a potential sponsor of the sport looks into drifting, does a little research and sees the Nick was a driver, will also note that he made a huge mistake, and makes this sport look more "amateur"-ish?

Its incidents like this that will make sponsors rethink about jumping into this motorsport.

Steroid incident in baseball, track, and other sports. Dont you think sponsors of these sports are rethinking that they dont want to sponsor druggie athletes?

Dont you think that itll now be that much harder for some kid who is looking for a sponsor? They (sponsors)may or may not look at the Hogan incident, who was a "pro-driver" and make judgment saying they dont want to sponsor irresponsible drivers.



My Colin McRae comment was in response to you stating that Nick wasnt worth talking about on here. Because he wasnt drifting when he crashed, its not worth a discussion? LIke I said, he was a drifter, and although nowhere in comparison to the greatness of McRae, Hogan has made somewhat of a name for himself through drifting (even if it was only a few months). He is/was associated with drifting, so why not discuss it on this forum, amongst his Fans, fellow competitors, and haters?

[Al]

You guys are all idiots for even talking about it... not worth talking about this stuff.

[Double M Star]

My Colin McRae comment was in response to you stating that Nick wasnt worth talking about on here. Because he wasnt drifting when he crashed, its not worth a discussion? LIke I said, he was a drifter, and although nowhere in comparison to the greatness of McRae, Hogan has made somewhat of a name for himself through drifting (even if it was only a few months). He is/was associated with drifting, so why not discuss it on this forum, amongst his Fans, fellow competitors, and haters?

yes.

So far I've yet to see any comments by haters.
I believe this topic is beyond that. the law is involved now, evidence has been discovered/revealed. The whole deal is a sticky mess for young Hogan.

take a moment to knock on wood that this is not you. I'm sure we can all admit we've done some pretty stupid things behind the wheel, but we can also thank our maker that we (speaking optimistically...) have not had to suffer through the loss of a friend in any capacity due to careless decision making while behind the wheel of a vehicle.

I think it'd be proper for him to serve time for his carelessness and disregard for the law. The DA would make you or me do it, his financial and celeb-u-spawn status should only cause for heavier example making, rather than let him off with a Brittney Lohan slap on the wrist.