(FEEDBACK) FORMULA D Florida 2011

[boxmod]

We all are prolly unhappy with the Yoshioka/Conrad call... but there are many inconsistencys in drifting.

I am usually able to agree on the calls they make as we watch them, but there are the few WTF moments here and there. I would like to see more emphasis on the angle/line over speed. The difficulty in drifting is not going fast, its getting sideways with control. The last section leading to the final clip at Rd3 was like a burnout contest more than drifting (for some).

Clipping point should never be "off to the side" of the car as you go by it, it should be swept past with the front bumper.

Maybe we will see more technical courses soon for FD with less emphasis on speed and more on technique. Its really too bad the original course we saw Thursday couldn't stay, it was much more challenging and technical.

[Kieran]

There's no doubt FD is judged differently than some other drift series. From what I can tell, its always been that way since FD inception - or at least since 2005(?) when the no passing rule came into effect.

People more familiar with the D1 style of judging and drifting will probably have a harder time understanding the FD style, just due to familiarity with what they know.

Seems to me that FD has become the dominant series in the USA for sure, and also has more global reach than any other series. Its hard to argue against what is obviously working for them, as a general consensus.

That doesn't mean to say everyone has to like the FD style. But if you're watching an FD event, its a bit tough to criticize FD using D1 or any other drift series expectations of style or judging criteria.

From our team's perspective, we just try to do what the FD organization asks for. Wouldn't make any sense for us to try to play a football game using hockey rules.

i don't think anyone in their right mind would level any of this criticism at the teams as , as you mentioned , your only playing the game.

if it was me involved with the series directly , either as a driver or as a team owner/runner i'd be concerned at the ( what appeared to be ) dismissive comments aimed at the fans during the live stream from the commentator. when a somewhat dubious call was made the fans were vocal in their disapproval with boo's and he brushed it off with a sarcastic comment belittling those people who have paid good money to be there.

i would of thought that , moreso given it was the first visit of fd to the venue, that the organisors would be looking to get the public on side to keep them coming back rather than pushing them away

as i said this is just an observation from someone who sat til 2am watching the live feed over 3000 miles away supporting the irish lads

[AE86_Fan]

it cracks me up, that everyone hits the forums and always complains about FD's judging... its always had its fair share of bad calls, with people wondering "how the hell did that happen".. they obviously do not care, cause no matter how much people complain, they keep it the same... speed > angle in their eyes, and always will be.

[ztkrevolution]

when a somewhat dubious call was made the fans were vocal in their disapproval with boo's and he brushed it off with a sarcastic comment belittling those people who have paid good money to be there.

i would of thought that , moreso given it was the first visit of fd to the venue, that the organisors would be looking to get the public on side to keep them coming back rather than pushing them away

yes i was definatly someone booing very hard at this event and completly agree i just find it funny because i thought the judges also are supposed to be judging overall impact on the crowd? and im pretty sure we all went way more insane with yoshihoka oh shoot im sorry i forgot, he slowed down thats why he lost BS i dont know why dai agreed with them

[Bebop]

FD judges don't care about the crowd. The overall impact is not part of the judging criteria in FD. They give style points but at their own discretion, not based on how the crowd reacts.

[Hach1r0k1d03]

what im confused about is: if all the criteria is given out at the meetings, then why didn't people know not to do backwards entries on lead runs? i think judges who want to see fair matches would specifically say something like "we're not looking for backwards entries. if u want to do so then you have to keep ur speed up. according to physics, it isnt really possible so i suggest not trying it."

[Bebop]

what im confused about is: if all the criteria is given out at the meetings, then why didn't people know not to do backwards entries on lead runs? i think judges who want to see fair matches would specifically say something like "we're not looking for backwards entries. if u want to do so then you have to keep ur speed up. according to physics, it isnt really possible so i suggest not trying it."

According to FD rules your qualifying line is your lead line in tandem...so if you do a backwards entry in qualifying by rule your opponent must attempt to mimic it in tandem.

[ASD Team]

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This is my personal opinion about whether fast drift cars create close tandem battles...

Your personal opinion may vary

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[Bebop]

lmao!!!!! I'm sorry but uhh.... yeaaaaaaahhhhhhh



Joking aside there are some moments during a FD battle when the the vehicles get kind of close to eachother, but imo its nothing compared to D1 where the cars are glued together from entry to end of the course. But thats just the diference between american and japanese style of drifting that D1 and FD have created. I'm not gonna sit up here and blame teams for winning.

[Slapshotnerd]

Take a look at Dmac vs Taka...

http://www.justin.tv/driftstream/b/287385151

Outside of the fact that Taka misjudged the entry and had to back off, his 300 hp corolla kept up quite well with Dmac's 700+ hp bullet. When they switched, it looks like Dmac left a huge gap to try and 'suck in' to Taka and make it look like his car was 5 times faster, but he was unable to close the gap until very very late in the match (and I would say too late). While I agree that Taka misjudging the entry was probably enough for Dmac to move on, I think that this matchup could have also gone one-more-time because Dmac misjudged the speed of Taka and didn't enter the first turn side-by-side like the judges had asked for in the meeting.

In the end, Taka's 'straighten' was more damaging than Dmac's midjudgement of entry speed, despite the fact that the judges specifically asked for the cars to enter at the same time in the judges meeting.

This is the inconsistency we're talking about. We want to see side-by-side action just as much as the last guy, and the fact that Dmac has double+ the horsepower of Taka doesn't mean he should be 4 car lengths away as they pass the first clip.

[boxmod]

According to FD rules your qualifying line is your lead line in tandem...so if you do a backwards entry in qualifying by rule your opponent must attempt to mimic it in tandem.

i dont think they ask for you to run "your" qualifying line, but rather a qualifying line. meaning not going slow, shallow, or weak angle. drive it like you are trying to qualify- ignoring the chase car. chase is supposed to mimic that lead. judges are to determine if the lead driver is running a proper lap, and if the chaser mimics well.

the gray area is when the lead driver has a error that they 'recover' from, the chase driver should not be forced to make the same error. (if they hit a clip for example). but if the leader is slightly shallow, it should be ok for the chase driver to follow that line. it is very important that the judges express if it is best to follow the shallow line or to still run the deep line and sacrifice riding his door.... ive seen each hold up in judging actually.

[ztkrevolution]

FD judges don't care about the crowd. The overall impact is not part of the judging criteria in FD. They give style points but at their own discretion, not based on how the crowd reacts.

then they need to stop saying thats part if their criteria because ive heard jarod mention the crowd when talking about judging a hundred times

[fast-datsun]

The Teams are doing what they have to and should do....Trying to win......

What people are saying is FD is ""a show"" that is judged and they feel that they do not like what they are seeing... Like any judged sports the people watching are paying the bills and they do not like what they see. If this a small number of people then its no big deal, if its a large number then FD must decide what to do about it....

[Bebop]

then they need to stop saying thats part if their criteria because ive heard jarod mention the crowd when talking about judging a hundred times

D) STYLE/IMPACT:
Style is probably the most subjective part of the drifters runs. Style is just what is sounds like: The drivers overall ability to take the specific judging criteria and display it is the most personal way each driver can. That is the essence of style.

Well they put style and impact together.... but they don't reference to the crowd. I wouldnt take everything J-Rod says too literal, Hes definitely not a James Hunt (ex driver) or even a Harold Lederman (long time actual judge).

The Teams are doing what they have to and should do....Trying to win......

What people are saying is FD is ""a show"" that is judged and they feel that they do not like what they are seeing... Like any judged sports the people watching are paying the bills and they do not like what they see. If this a small number of people then its no big deal, if its a large number then FD must decide what to do about it....

I personally FD compared to its counterpart is a real professional series... on paper they have real criteria and extensive technical scrutiny. I'm just not 100% sure if they are consistent and fair with the criteria they stand by.

I see FD as the only night club in a small sober town. The drinks are pretty good, but the DJ is pretty crappy, and unless you know the bouncers or the owner you feel kind of unwelcome.

But that's the only place to go in town so you show up anyway week after week for your fix, and after you leave your always thinking to your self "if they would just change ______ and ______ that place would be so much better!" .

[fast-datsun]

Well they put style and impact together.... but they don't reference to the crowd. I wouldnt take everything J-Rod says too littoral, Hes definitely not a James Hunt (ex driver) or even a Harold Lederman (long time actual judge).



I personally FD compared to its counterpart is a real professional series... on paper they have real criteria and extensive technical scrutiny. I'm just not 100% sure if they are consistent and fair with the criteria they stand by.

I see FD as the only night club in a small sober town. The drinks are pretty good, but the DJ is pretty crappy, and unless you know the bouncers or the owner you feel kind of unwelcome.

But that's the only place to go in town so you show up anyway week after week for your fix, and after you leave your always thinking to your self "if they would just change ______ and ______ that place would be so much better!" .

FD is a very professional run show..