(FEEDBACK) FORMULA D Florida 2011

[ztkrevolution]

to me that makes sense and i remember when i used to say the best thing about drifting is that a little corolla can beat a viper. and this was my analogy because it showed that its not about the faster car, its about the style. but in FD lets put Aono against Sam, psh! yeah right lol and i know people are gonna say oh hed beat dean1 but cmon deans a rook lol not that great. and when you see interviews about why the winner one a match, they usually say "i had the faster car" to me this sport is about car control, and i feel extreme angle at yet a slower speed shows much more control than high speed low angle. and as a spectator thats not always fun to watch. i personally love the way slow drifting looks, looks like slow motion figure skating hahahaha

[my 1 88 u]

All due respect ASD, you guys have the formula to produce fast pace drift cars and have great drivers behind the wheel buts it has been years since I've seen any of your guys do anything exciting besides being super consistent.

I challenge JTP to sacrifice a little bit of his speed to tap a lead driver with his rear bumper.

[ztkrevolution]

All due respect ASD, you guys have the formula to produce fast pace drift cars and have great drivers behind the wheel buts it has been years since I've seen any of your guys do anything exciting besides being super consistent.

I challenge JTP to sacrifice a little bit of his speed to tap a lead driver with his rear bumper.

and this is the stuff i feel judges should be looking for

[Kieran]

and this is the stuff i feel judges should be looking for

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-vX8-TWBUE&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNOzNX466A8

[sytfu]

haha, this threads is getting LOL'able responses.

Formula D is not D1.... it's american, and you know how americans like stuff, Big Loud Fast, and obnoxious. if you want finese, start another series... formula d is progressing in another direction from what you are looking for.

[ztkrevolution]

very good point, we silly americans lol

[Kieran]

haha, this threads is getting LOL'able responses.

Formula D is not D1.... it's american, and you know how americans like stuff, Big Loud Fast, and obnoxious. if you want finese, start another series... formula d is progressing in another direction from what you are looking for.

i'm not an american

[sytfu]

i never said you were.... but guess what i did say....

FORMULA D IS A
American series.

[my 1 88 u]

haha, this threads is getting LOL'able responses.

Formula D is not D1.... it's american, and you know how americans like stuff, Big Loud Fast, and obnoxious. if you want finese, start another series... formula d is progressing in another direction from what you are looking for.

Yeah it's going in the direction of who can go the fastest while maintaining a 45 degree angle. Formula Drift Race 2000.

[Bebop]

Formula HS (Hook Slide)

[ztkrevolution]

formula hs (hook slide)

lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ASD Team]

There's no doubt FD is judged differently than some other drift series. From what I can tell, its always been that way since FD inception - or at least since 2005(?) when the no passing rule came into effect.

People more familiar with the D1 style of judging and drifting will probably have a harder time understanding the FD style, just due to familiarity with what they know.

Seems to me that FD has become the dominant series in the USA for sure, and also has more global reach than any other series. Its hard to argue against what is obviously working for them, as a general consensus.

That doesn't mean to say everyone has to like the FD style. But if you're watching an FD event, its a bit tough to criticize FD using D1 or any other drift series expectations of style or judging criteria.

From our team's perspective, we just try to do what the FD organization asks for. Wouldn't make any sense for us to try to play a football game using hockey rules.

[ztkrevolution]

yes, understandable, and i love formula drift and always will. but what i am saying as a spectator is that formula d, because of their style of judging, isnt as exhilarating to watch because there is no demand for the crazy moves and pressure. and thus people would then stop wanting to watch football and then go start watching hockey

[theSidesweep]

Although I may not have the same experience as other members here, I would have to say the lack of emphasis on angle and style seems (to me) is what "drains" the excitement out of events.

Fans, for the most part, see the same cut and dry runs with the occasional crash or a driver who throws out real angle and style, only to be denied advancement because they "didn't follow the perfect line" or "lacked the same speed as the following car". Hence why at certain events people are leaving before the finals even begin.

I understand Formula D is an American organization, but simply because the generic understanding of "American motorsports" is high speeds and lots of smoke doesn't mean fans and newcomers don't appreciate crazy angles and aggressive driving equally, if not more (as indicated by the fans in runs such as Yoshioka v Grunewald, Powers v JTP in Florida, Aasbo v Yoshihara in Atlanta, etc.)

Again, this is all just my opinion, and no offense meant to anyone at all. I love the sport and would like to see it grow even more in the US.

[Slapshotnerd]

There's no doubt FD is judged differently than some other drift series. From what I can tell, its always been that way since FD inception - or at least since 2005(?) when the no passing rule came into effect.

People more familiar with the D1 style of judging and drifting will probably have a harder time understanding the FD style, just due to familiarity with what they know.

Seems to me that FD has become the dominant series in the USA for sure, and also has more global reach than any other series. Its hard to argue against what is obviously working for them, as a general consensus.

That doesn't mean to say everyone has to like the FD style. But if you're watching an FD event, its a bit tough to criticize FD using D1 or any other drift series expectations of style or judging criteria.

From our team's perspective, we just try to do what the FD organization asks for. Wouldn't make any sense for us to try to play a football game using hockey rules.

I understand that FD is judged differently. I've been to around 30 FD events over the years, probably more than anyone else on this board who isn't associated with a team. I have thought that the FD judging was fine for several years, and have defended it before on this board. I've attended several drivers meetings, and know how it can differ, but have also spotted a trend that isn't being discussed during the meetings at all.

I think that the tide has turned in the last year or so. With Palm Beach being a new track, everyone was on a even playing field, and I think it became aware how much it's a speed game and not an angle game, particularly between the outside clip and the final clip. Certain drivers had less than 30 degrees of angle, but were rewarded for 'catching up' to the lead car when chasing. Drivers who had substantially more angle (the normal 30 to 40 degrees, or more) but lost distance on the lead car were punished.

I won't be in NJ, but will be at the final 3 events this season. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out.