Passing?? (D1 and Formula D Rules/Judging)

[OH240SE]

yeah nob, i agree w/ you on that. if hp was a problem they could always make different classes, the thing with these drift tracks is if you have too much hp u'll just be smoking and powering over all the time and not getting much speed. I'm pretty sure the way they tune these cars tho, they'll all be about equal.

[Ichi-Go]

I think drifting should stay a form of having fun. I like D1 and the competition because they have all the pros together doing awesome drifts and transitions. I think all this passing and clocking stuff is total crap. If you want to pass go to nascar but if you want to link drifts and smoke you tires completely sideways than drift. Also if picking the right lines mattered then wouldnt putting the car sideways at 90 on a straight take points away. or having one wheel go off the track and into the dirt for a second matter.

Also saying drifting started out as a way for cars (like rally) to take corners faster than gripping might be true. But if you think that D1 should be based on that kind of drifting then the oval courses should not be used because drifting if never going to be faster on an oval (just look at nascar).

Thats my .02 cents.

[MrodDrft]

You cant have drift racing without a touge. But then it wouldnt be drift racing, but professional touge battle league. I shud copyright this idea before some rice corperation steals it.

[MrodDrft]

Originally posted by HKS-NOB
i believe that was tsukuba instead of fuji........imamura went on to the grass just right b4 they enter the dunlop corner.........
imamura was going too close to kumakubo at the corner entrance..........a experienced tsukuba driver will know it's quite impossible to clear the corners with 2 cars while imamura was on the outside as well............so it's clearly imamura's fault that he went up too close to kumakubo..........

a similar situation happened abit earlier this yr.......when they had this d1 exhibition........making the d1 drivers to form a group and perform a group drift............asamoto was closing up to this 86 on the 2nd hairpin of tsukuba........and then on the straight b4 the dunlop corner........he managed to spd up and passed the 86 by like an inch..........the 86 didn't have enough space to drift.....and his bumper kissed asamoto's rear bumper.....and spins out.............since this is a group drift.....there are many cars behind to 86......and those cars were not able to stop the car and 2-3 other cars crashed into the 86..........

dam wtf thats the second time i said fuji and i meant tsukuba

[MrodDrft]

I dont think u guys understand... the D1 is not based on ur speed or style or watever else alone.. It is all factored together. Then u have the battles. Plain and simple. The judging is fine and it always has been. Stop whining. Its about pushing the capabilities of ur car to the edge. Passing is part of it, its basically like spiking a ball in volleyball. An in ur face insult to the ur opponent and u win. Its encouraged and allowed. Even if ur "style" is better, who cares, u were too slow

[MrFuDang]

I would have to say i agree.

[AtroXR7]

i would agree as well, but that posses the risk of crashing when someone in the rear is taking a line to block the other driver. I guess I really dont see anything wrong with that. I think events should be split up, a style competition, and battles. the cars need to be setup to drift well in style competition, and also battle without change settings. Kinda like how cars cant use a different tire than the one they qualified with in racing. (yes, i know tires cant be used the same way in drifting obviously) But yeah, run a style competition like a qualifier for the battles. Im not up to date with how Formula D runs competitions so if they already do that, ignore me.

[CrazyHawaiian]

I think the Judging in Japan is working out good because of the drivers, but not so sure how its gonna work out here in the USA. I think the difference is that the Japan Pro's place respect above winning. They have a certain ammount of respect for eachother to the point that they don't try to cut eachother off for a win. If they can go for a pass and not cause an accident, then they'll try, but for the most part they wont just cut someone off and force them off the track. They also have enough experience to know when its OK to go for a pass and not cause an accident. I think there are a few guys (not all) in the USA dont have that ammount of control, and they dont have that respect for eachother because they put winning first. Its just the American way, we go big, and we always want to win. The way that the rules are worded there, it sounds like you are supposed to cut people off for the win which makes it even worse. Rubbing is racing but I see this going the wrong way. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm whining, but I just dont feel too good about it. Now I dont really know what to expect if I ever make it into any of these USA competitions. I imagine I'm going to be hit by somebody going for a pass that they shouldnt be going for. I'll tell you one thing, someone cuts off my line when they shouldnt, I'm not going wide and we will get into an accident. Let the judges figgure that one out. Maybe if the rules here in the USA were explained a little better, I might feel better about it.

[nissanguy_24]

Yeah, CH, at least your running that big heavy camaro so you wont have worry about being hit... im sure 86s bounce off that thing.

[AtroXR7]

I drive a 3700 lb cougar(im just starting weight reduction), and collisions still worry me. Especially since I drive a car that handles very differently from an s13. My lines would be different. I think the different cars play a major impact on the american series, its not wall to wall silvia's here, there all all different types of cars.

[MrodDrft]

The D1 does have split up style and battle runs. The all out style and to show off is what qualifying is. Once u narrow it down to 16 then u begin the battles. But you already knew that And about your comment "wall to wall silvias" In Japan there is a wide variety of drift cars. I would even go as far as saying a wider variety than here in the US. But we dont see them. Or atleast most of us dont. Its called research. Do it, and like it. LOL Yea Asamoto and Kumakumbo are very agressive. Especially Asamoto. U shud see bac in like 2000 he would jus run into his other team mates and even pass them in the Ika-ten. Its so funny. I think the problem is our society's mindset, a huge lack of respect and thier judgement. Risking a wreck just to win rather than holding out and preventing damage and a collision.

[Ernie]

I agree with the Crazy Hawaiian. I would lean more toward the respect for each other when out there performing for the crowd. We are there to put on a show. Keichi told us not to do anything that would embarass D1 and mess this whole thing up for everyone. His main point was "impact". How we present ourselves to the crowd. Of course many of us want to win, but Japan focuses on letting everyone be as equal as possible. It is more a game of consistancy. The more consistent you are the higher the likelyhood of winning.

[prodigy]

Originally posted by HKS-NOB
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i dont think having a hp limit is necessary..........even though the guys who drive 86s like ueo have only 200 or so horsepower.....but i'm sure they will not get left behind on the japanese d1 tracks.........(i'm not sure the ones in the states though)...........i have a Time Attack clip that is done by a few d1 cars on tsukuba..........imamura's fd......taniguchi's s15.......miki's s15........and this guy with the yellow 86 which i forgot his name at the moment.............

every1 had achieved a pretty close time on time attack (grip...not drift)......1'00"xxx for imamura's fd.......1'01"099 for miki's s15....and 1'02"xxx for the 86...........and last but not least taniguchi's s15 achieved a amazing time of 58"2xx......2nd fastest silvia in japan........right behind yashio factory time attack s15's *Censored**Censored**Censored*.....which i believe it ran....57"xxx

so if that yellow 86 can run a similar time with the high output cars....like imamura's fd (500hp).......miki's s15 (540hp).....then y can't ueo keep up with them.......and i believe ueo's 86 is the most expensive 86 in d1 out of all 86s

and this guy with the yellow 86 which i forgot his name at the moment.............

I believe that is a man they call Maeken, he gets is name just like Nomuken.

[prodigy]

Originally posted by AtroXR7
i would agree as well, but that posses the risk of crashing when someone in the rear is taking a line to block the other driver. I guess I really dont see anything wrong with that. I think events should be split up, a style competition, and battles. the cars need to be setup to drift well in style competition, and also battle without change settings. Kinda like how cars cant use a different tire than the one they qualified with in racing. (yes, i know tires cant be used the same way in drifting obviously) But yeah, run a style competition like a qualifier for the battles. Im not up to date with how Formula D runs competitions so if they already do that, ignore me.

Have you ever watched an event dude (I am sure you have), crashes are apart of it. These are hugely backed sponsored cars that are built to take hits. Another thing that I think you guys are forgetting is that these guys are all friends to some extent. There might be some rivalries but it isn't to the point where one is going to push the other into the wall. If the D1 was about racing then I am pretty sure that the drivers would be a little bit more searious and wouldn't do funny bizarre things that hype up the crowd. This is a spectator sport.

The way that I understand the whole line thing is that you are suggested by the judges to take a true racing line, out in out, but this seems to only apply in the single person runs and not the tsusio battles. In a tsusio battle the guy in front can take any line he wants, but it would be dumb to take anything but a good racing line because you would be easily passed. If the man in the rear pressures you in the inside or the outside you have to correct for this and block without making a mistake and loosing lots of speed. It seems to me that in the D1, from what I have noticed, if the car in the rear sticks his nose in nice on the inside and the leading car corrects and slows down a lot the rear car also slows down to avoid a collision. At this time the front car usually takes off ahead of the rear car which causes a gap between the to cars, as if the rear was getting left behind, but the rear put a lot of pressure on the front which caused them to correct. So the round would go to the rear car.

This is what makes the tsusio battle different from the solo run. If you put no pressure on the lead car but you do produce a better angle and more tire smock you still loose the battle. That is why you are given a lead and a follow run so that hopefully the guy that is following you the next time around can't match your entry speed and angle.

[nissanguy_24]

Another thing to consider is passing is the Extreme.. Its kindof like A Nock out punch in boxing. Your trying for the pass when your following, but most often it boils down to a judges descision... Most the time the guys wont go for a pass, but will rather stick to the lead car like glue to show how good they are. The lead car will try to throw them off, but the following car shows his skill by sticking to him. Its a dance between the lead car and following car.

Spinning is bad.. If you spin one of the only ways to make up for it is to pass the guy in the next run. Its the extreme. Or if you were passed. You basicly need to pass the guy, or pressure him into making a mistake and spinning to win. Most drivers dont risk damage or an accident to there expensive car, or there buddies cars , and indeed damage to there Buddies! and them selfs. Unless they really have to. Add the dynamics of it all with respect and friendliness and you get passing only when its nessisary.

Like it was stated earlier, the big show drifts are your single runs. The two person battles are your racing battle style. But its not exactly a true race. More like a dance between the two cars, the judges use this to deside who has better control of there car.

I think if we keep it friendly then we wont have a problem with passing becoming dangerous or it becomming ultra competitive.

(im pretty tierd forgive any rambling or typos)