Rides DRIFTING Feature on TV (FEEDBACK)

[Ghost of Duluth]

Redline and Rides are 2 totally different shows. Redline is basiacally a series of pilot TV shows to try and get picked up so they show lot's of everything. Rides is already an accepted AND syndicated show. Also, Rides only did one show on Drifting. Granted, it was a terrific show. I loved every minute of it, but there is only going to be one. At least Redline tries and does show Drifting in every episode. Sure they have flashy angles and other stuff like that, but it's not a documentary, it's a full blown TV show that not only appeals to you guys, but to EVERYONE in the Import community. So before you all condemn Redline TV, at least be happy that SOMEONE out there is putting Drifting on television for you all to enjoy, even if it's only a few minutes of it. It's better than nothing.

After the show gets picked up for another run, maybe they can institute all the ideas that Craig has come on here and asked you guys repeatedly for. Interesting that he came on here, braved the repeated taunts and slanders aimed at him, knowing that that was the way it was going to be and actually ASKED us to give him input so he could make his show better. Came into the Lions den or the line of fire so to speak. That shows that he actually gives a crap about what we say. Maybe he only cares so that he can make the show a hit, but then again, maybe he really cares. Until i'm proven wrong, i'll go with the latter. So lighten up on Redline TV. At least it's there for you. Every week.

[craiglieberman]

Good points

Again, I loved that show...it was awesome...wish we had an hour format to play in! 30 minutes on drifting, the rest a mix of other components of the tuner market.

And yes, John...I care about the ratings but as you suspected, being a car nut, I'd love to see us tone down the funky car angles and concentrate on the raw sights and more importantly, the sounds of JGTC, driftig and all action we cover.

Hopefully, viewers have noticed that we're doing that a little more aggressively on each episode.

[spock]

My suggestion is you need to probably take some hints from this epsiode of Rides, as well as other things like BMI and Option videos. Personally, I enjoy shows as much for information as I do for entertainment. This post isn't completely on topic, but I will say they did a very good job on covering drifting except for the APC guy. One thing you said is that the stupid camera effects and corny dialogue attracts the general tuner audience. How can the average import enthusiast be that shallow? Honestly. Rides did a good job of getting down to the meat of drifting, something Redline TV lacks so far, even with other areas of the "import scene".
Then there's the guy that said to be happy they have a show on tv every week that has drifting. And your point? No one watches it for the simple fact that it's drifting no matter how good or bad the production values are. Now if the show was somewhat informative that would be a different story.

[BENJO]

hey craig, ive got a couple questions.

what are your future plans for redline tv?
planning to have a 1 hour block anytime soon?


thanks

[nissanguy_24]

here was the main difference between Red and Rides. Rides as stated by craig and his crew is trying to get it accepted by all, get a wider market ect.. Rides was a documentry on what drifting is. The rule of documentries is you dont change what your documenting.

Anyways i always said that drifting could stand on its own. Its my personal opinion. So i really enjoyed rides.

[AllMotorKing]

excellent show. the discovery networks' budgets for a show like rides is huge compared to those produced for other cable channels.

[Ghost of Duluth]

And my point is, even though I thought it was explained pretty well, that Drifting cannot support it's own weekly TV show. You all may think it can, but it can't. Believe it or not, the world of Drifting is in it's infancy. Sure it's super large in Japan but here it's not. It grows by leaps and bounds every day but it still cannot stand on it's own with a weekly half hour TV show, much less an hour. That's why shows like REdline and Rides are so important. They are paving the way for the very thing that you all want. A show dedicat4ed to Drifting, with good information, good interviews, track time, sounds, cars, everything. You honestly think that someone can just pop up an entire show dedicated to Drifting without a proven track record that it will work? Sure, some exec at the station will love that one. See, TV works completely different from the real world. It won't matter that someone is a car fanatic, they aren't going to let him do a show based on something that hasn't proven it won't lose money. So they put a little at a time on different shows to make sure they are doing something that will win.

Want some proof? Let's look at other sports that don't get much TV coverage. Rally racing, Busch series racing, Nascar truck racing, Formula one, JGTC, none of these sports have a weekly TV show dedicated to them. They are some pretty popular sports but yet they cannot get regular weekly coverage on a major channel. You can get some highlights, but not a show dedicated to them. Speed channel is about the closest thing that gives any major coverage. They show the Rally races and some other races but not a TV show dedicated to one sport on a weekly basis. You aren't going to see the Rally magazine show or Formula one weekly where they are going to interview established drivers and up and comers, show some footage, hawk products. No sir, and these sports are much bigger than Drifting.

Thats my point. Be thankful for what you have and look at the picture bigger than the end of your nose. Things will come, but breaking down the things that we have is not going to help the bigger ones come. It's just logical there Spock. Besides, you watch it, what do you watch it for? I would guess to see the Drifting parts so you might comment on them. So you are basically doing what you said people don't do now aren't you. Watching it just because there's Drifting on it.

Nissanguy, good point. Documentaries are straight forward, you basically roll the camera and let it happen. TV shows get staged, things set up, people brought there for interviews and whatnot. 2 completely different things.

[Piner]

I too loved rides. It was one of the best tv shows i have EVER seen and i do hope that TLC will do another folowing another group of drifters sometime in the near future

[spock]

Originally posted by Ghost of Duluth
They are paving the way for the very thing that you all want.

If it's going to pave the way for drifting to turn into something along the lines of what the sports in the X-Games have become then no one should be the least bit thankful. Sure, they've made those sports more accessable, but they've also brought in alot of corporate intervention that has raped those sports of any of their previous glory. I'm pretty sure all any of the American drifters want is good quality parts that are easy to obtain and places to drift on a regular basis.

[nissanguy_24]

Spock, that tends to fall onto the 'will corporate america ruin drifting' or 'will drifting getting big ruin it' debate. and i though i do feel that to be an important and valid debate im not sure how it applies here. Well i guess it goes back to my old arguement about presenting drifting as something that is thought to be successful instead of just letting the cameras roll.

But then again i already like drifting. and i am not trying to sell drifting to anyone.

Ghost makes alot of points about television. But i guess like spock was trying to get at, it falls back to the "do we as drifters want this?" question. I do enjoy seeing drifting on tv, but i want to see the drifting i like. so i guess we tend to get protective of it.

We care alot about this thing i guess. Thats the only reason we even say anything.

And i have to say we really enjoy the way TLC presented drifting.

Anyways i fear im ranting and not making any points so ill end this.

[Ghost of Duluth]

And how do you think you are going to get this????? It sure isn't by keeping Drifting underground and all this mumbo jumbo that you all spout here. It's by corporations getting into the sport and marketing and big shows and contests and all that other stuff. Heck man, it's the very things that you don't like. You want all the good stuff but don't want to see what it takes to get there. It's funny that everyone thinks that Drifting is some underground, mystical sport in Japan. Everyone hates rice and neon but yet, if you paid any attention last night, neon, blinking lights and all that stuff was all over the cars. It's one of the most commercialized, marketed ones there. It's funny, if it was so underground and all that, it sure as mess wouldn't have made it here in any way, shape or form near the level it has now if not for corporations, sponsers and money. Everyone thinks that Drifting should stay this way and that, but yet you all want things that cannot happen without the very things you don't want. Doesn't work that way.

Besides, how did the corperations ruin skateboarding or any of the other sports in the X-games? What glory are you referring too? The 80's of Skateboarding was one of the most whored out times in Skateboardings career, and guess who did the whoring? You bet, actual skateboarders. Like Stacy Peralta. Now-a-days alot of the good companies are owned by skateboarders from this time. Money drives developement, money drives product manufacturing, money drives a sport and money drives the development of new sports and new areas to do these sports. Where do you think freestyle motocross would be today if not for a vehicle like the X-games to spread it to an audience of young people, who will get into the sport and drive it further? It would be no-where. Same with Drifting. I hate to tell all of you self centered people out there but you are not the end all of Drifting. The sport will need new blood and new people to grow. But yet you all are content to run off or discourage anyone attempting to get into it or come into it with money. You're shooting your ownselves in the foot. Think long and hard about where you want this sport to go and then make a comment. Because if half of you had your way, it would go nowhere and you would all sit around and complain that you couldn't find a decent set of coilovers for a nice price or a place to Drift after you got a ticket cause there are no tracks around. Tracks, parts, sponsers, things like that come from money being funnelled into the sport. Not by 3 guys getting together and bombing random parking lots in the dead of the night.

Thus brings us back to the TV show, you need it as a baby step to get to where you want to go ultimately. You can't just jump into the big leagues.

[spock]

The thing is drifting doesn't just need sponsors, it needs the RIGHT sponsors. And, yes, skateboarding began to sell out in the 80s and it's only gotten worse since then. Everyone wants a peice of the skateboarding pie now, from MTV to Kellogs to Mc Donalds. You name it. "A day without Pops is like a day without your skateboard." I would hate to be a skater right now. That's not the kind of corporate intervention drifting needs to grow. If it happens, in the end it'll be just a giant pile of crap. Let's just say drifting is a little kid right now and any potential big name sponsors are the things it takes in. If it only grows on eating McDonalds and watching MTV it'll grow up to be lousy American fatass just like most other adults in this country.
Anyways... Back on topic. I liked rides. It was good.

[Ghost of Duluth]

A real skateboarder just skates. A real Drifter just Drifts. They don't really worry about the rest.

[suberi_RPS13]

^^amen

[IzzyTrippin]

The best part I liked about the show was all my online friends who said I was wacko when I talked about drifting, now they are saying, holy crap man, is that what you getting into, oh wow thats so cool. lol

What I didn't like was when team orange unloaded and the announcer says, These are S15 racers, as the camera focus is on a toyota being unloaded.

I recorded it to DIVX and re-encoded it to SVCD, then I realized I had forgoten to edit out the commercials. back to the editing panel.