Chris Rado, SPORT COMPACT CAR "Getting the Whole Drift"

[Feint]

Originally posted by Erkumi
Hey Rado, if you really want the respect and for people to stop dissing you, and since you want to drift. You should get a supra or something, but try and get a smaller weaker motor for it like a 3sge(non turbo) with only like 220 hp. Then your supra would be way lighter and beter balanced. Remember drifting is not about power, its about balance and skill. But if you could keep up with good drivers in such a weak car you would get plenty of respect from people because it takes alot of skill to keep up with the powerful cars. If you showd skill like that then you would get alot of respect.

I think it's time to seriously dispell this *it's all about balance,not power* crap.Goto www.d1gp.co.jp and look at the point ranking.Take a look at the top 5,or top 10 for that matter.You'll notice that all of them have cars that make no less than 350hp,the majority is 400hp and over.Also notice how the US Apexi FD made only 350 here,but makes 500 in Japan.Apexi even said it themselves,the extra power is needed for some of the tracks in Japan.There's no subsiture for having that extra power to push you harder through those long sweeoers that come out of a short straight away.If power wasn't an issue,Taniguchi and Kazama(1st and 2nd place drivers in D1 right now) wouldn't be running 400hp+,instead they would be pushing 250-280hp.The power is there for a reason.

[Erkumi]

Wow your are so dumb. First of all, guess who won the first american d1. Ueo and his 220 hp trueno. Secondly guess what he said when he tuned his car. Its not about power its about balance. And that was from a pro. And thirdly you need to STFU and watch some videos. You dont need that much power do hang a long @ss drift. Did you ever hear the word momentum. Enough momentum and a small amount of horsepower can get you very far in a drift. (Ask ueo and the drift king) Big hp is good for entering a corner without alot of momentum since you have the extra power to get you through. And the heavier a car is, at a fast speed builds more momentum than a lightweight car. If you build up enough momentum in a supra with a 220hp 3sge, you can just use the weight to carry you through the drift. You dont need the power. Also are you familiar with the transfer of weigh. That can also get you somewhere. I just proven my point, say im wrong i dare ya. Do you even have a car. Have you ever drifted before. It takes more skill to drift a weak hp car for a long amount of time than it does to do a high hp car. Oh and fyi if ueo didnt bow a shock this year he would of won the usd1 again.

[Feint]

I knew you would come and say Ueo,Ueo.Where's Ueo in the top ten right now? Exactly.Ueo is being left behind.One man doesn't define 20 others.

There are better drifters than Ueo,I hate to tell you that.You completely evaded my point.If underpowered cars could do the job,we wouldn't have high hp cars in D1 now would we?

Only one round of D1 is in the US,and it's an oval track with a long straight that gives plenty of opportunity for momentum.Now look at the other rounds of D1,those tracks aren't ovals,and they don't leave a lot of room to gain it to begin with.

Ueo take out Kazama at the US D1,that's a laugh.Did you see Kazama's solo run? That was the easily the best run ever in the US D1 rounds.The judges jaws were dropping to the floor,ƒhƒŠƒLƒ“ included.

I also think your confusing ƒhƒŠƒLƒ“ beliefs regarding touge racing,not drifting.Care to provide a source for that?

Ever wondered why so many people had trouble keeping up with Sam Hubinette? Even the drivers said it's hard to keep up with that much power.I'm sorry,but if that doesn't prove that power has just as much place as anything else in drifting,I don't know what does.

I love these personal attacks.Just because I don't conform to your beliefs,you go take out your period on me.I'm not fiishing for a flame war today,so let's keep it civilized.

[Erkumi]

First of all. On a smaller track, a weak car can be more easy to drift than a high hp car since you can actually hold the throttle down and not worry about burning out the whole time.
And so what ueo is having a hard time.

Oh and the reason most people use the big hp cars is because again it makes everything a lot easier when going through BIG turns. Remember the d1 is about show its not really a race. For crying out loud you actually get points for smoking your tires through the run which i think is dumb. But since its a show I guess its not dumb.

And tell me how did i evade your point.

An another thing, when you said "I also think your confusing ƒhƒŠƒLƒ“ beliefs regarding touge racing,not drifting.Care to provide a source for that?" i didnt quite understand what you meant.

Also I never said power wasnt necesary. But i said you didnt need much of it. Me, yeah im a big fan of the touge. Also on a touge big hp isnt necesary.

Lastly, i am sorry for me being on my period(j/k about the period) and personally attacking you. It was unecessary.

[hatebbobbarker]

Originally posted by Erkumi
Yeah you ARE new. Drifting isnt all about power. Its about balance and skill. A supra with that kinda motor would have a great balance, and if it was used properly you could easily run with the best. It almost like driving a stock gts. Again it would take skill to win and if rado had that skill he would get respect. Of course you havent listend to one word. Oh and also a t50 tranny with new gears would drop alot of weight too.

howbout insted of trying to insult me, you think about what your saying.
220hp will never be enough power in a supra no matter how much weight you remove from the car. a light car like corolla can do well with it but supras are pigs to begin with, and weight reduction IS NOT EASY.


as for rado, trucks have funky weight balance so if he does well ill give him credit.

[spinitsidewayz!]

balance power balance power... this thread got way off topic...
anyways yeah that does affect drifting and such but how long has ueo been driving corollas? he is comfortable with that platform and that makes him a good driver.. same with the other d1 drivers.. its seat time and experiance...

iono where you got the supra idea but the supra does have a different suspension geometry compared to the ae chassis.... not to mention that project would take alot of cash..

erkumi sorry but just seems like youre trying to pick a fight because people dont agree with you...

and the balance and skill thing... power plays a part of the balance... and yet skill plays more of a part then balance combined... ofcourse differently balanced cars do better in different situations.. blah blah blah. get off your damn chair and go drift or something. itll make you feel better

anyways.. mr. christian, i hope to hear good things about you with your truck.

[Craftsman]

I'm hearing rumors that Scion might be coming out with a RWD compact car...

Anyways, stop ragging on Rado. He's taken alot of crap already. He's just trying to enjoy the culture too.

Chris, say #*%# you to the guys and drift...

BTW, I missed you tonight, I couldn't see you. Anyways...

Matt.

[hondoo]

Originally posted by Craftsman
I'm hearing rumors that Scion might be coming out with a RWD compact car...

that sounds pretty cool...where'd you hear that?

[Erkumi]

Originally posted by hatebbobbarker
howbout insted of trying to insult me, you think about what your saying.
220hp will never be enough power in a supra no matter how much weight you remove from the car. a light car like corolla can do well with it but supras are pigs to begin with, and weight reduction IS NOT EASY.


as for rado, trucks have funky weight balance so if he does well ill give him credit.

Look at the power weight ratio of a supra that weighs 2800 pounds with 220hp. And look at the power weight ration of a corolla that weighs 2200 pounds with 110 hp. Supra= 1 horsepower for every 12.72 pounds. corolla= 1 hp for every 20 pounds. I have just proven my point once again. A stock AE86 would need some tuning to get that ratio. Actually for an ae86 to have the same ratio, it would need to drop 200 pounds and gain 46 horsepower. Point being is that the supra with the 220hp s3ge motor would easily be ready to drift. If a stock 4ag motor can push a stock corolla, then a 220hp 3sg can easily push the supra. Look at the ratios theyre right they're, they dont lie, if you dont beleive them do the math.

[hatebbobbarker]

Originally posted by Erkumi
Look at the power weight ratio of a supra that weighs 2800 pounds with 220hp. And look at the power weight ration of a corolla that weighs 2200 pounds with 110 hp. Supra= 1 horsepower for every 12.72 pounds. corolla= 1 hp for every 20 pounds. I have just proven my point once again. A stock AE86 would need some tuning to get that ratio. Actually for an ae86 to have the same ratio, it would need to drop 200 pounds and gain 46 horsepower. Point being is that the supra with the 220hp s3ge motor would easily be ready to drift. If a stock 4ag motor can push a stock corolla, then a 220hp 3sg can easily push the supra. Look at the ratios theyre right they're, they dont lie, if you dont beleive them do the math.

you still havent proven anything.
3,485lb sthats a supras weight, enjoy removing almost 700 lbs!
Have you ever watched any sort of drifting competition ever, at 220hp the supra would practically come to a stop after getting sideways in a long turn.

do you think drifting is only about getting your car sideways for a second or two?

tell you what, ask alex how much hp the s2000 he drove yesterday makes, if it has a stock motor ill bow down to you.

[Erkumi]

Thats another thing, all of you look up to alex like hes some god. True he is good but hes not that good. In japan he is probably average(maybe a little better). You people have low expectations when it comes to drifting. You all say you want to be good as alex. Well im saying I want to be beter than him. I have high expectations. Thats the way to go when it comes to drifting. I dont want to be good as alex, i want to be beter than him. I want to be good as keichi. By the way, im not trying to disrespect you alex.

I can guarantee you can remove 600 pounds from a supra that weighs 3485 pounds. Also the 1996 jza80 supra weighs around 3215 pounds stock.

Yes i think drifting is getting your cars out sideways for a few seconds. If a drift in one direction lasts longer than 5 seconds then its just showing off. Ready, count to 5 and do it properly. Long time dont ya think. If you drift any longer than that of course your going to lose speed. In a corner it should'nt excede 5 seconds. Because if it does, your beter off just griping through it.

Lastly what does alex and an s2000 with a modified motor have to do with this.

[hatebbobbarker]

Originally posted by Erkumi
Thats another thing, all of you look up to alex like hes some god. True he is good but hes not that good. In japan he is probably average(maybe a little better). You people have low expectations when it comes to drifting. You all say you want to be good as alex. Well im saying I want to be beter than him. I have high expectations. Thats the way to go when it comes to drifting. I dont want to be good as alex, i want to be beter than him. I want to be good as keichi. By the way, im not trying to disrespect you alex.

I can guarantee you can remove 600 pounds from a supra that weighs 3485 pounds. Also the 1996 jza80 supra weighs around 3215 pounds stock.

Yes i think drifting is getting your cars out sideways for a few seconds. If a drift in one direction lasts longer than 5 seconds then its just showing off. Ready, count to 5 and do it properly. Long time dont ya think. If you drift any longer than that of course your going to lose speed. In a corner it should'nt excede 5 seconds. Because if it does, your beter off just griping through it.

Lastly what does alex and an s2000 with a modified motor have to do with this.

that is specifically why i used alex as an example, hes a decent driver but hes not the best, i dont know him at all, yesterday was the first time i really saw him drive, he was in the rsr s2000, and i really like that car. i used that example because a stock s2000 is the closest aproximation to what you want to do with a supra.
Pretty much the only US driver i look up to is chris and thats because i talked to him a couple times on my350z.com before he even moved out here, and when i talked to him the other day he was still the same helpful guy he was a year ago.

im pretty sure 3215 is the non turbo version, but since your butchering the car anyways ill let you start with a non turbo.

those long sweeping turns require power, i watched several cars come short yesterday because they didnt have the power, and at drivers search i watched a lot of cars come short because they didnt have the power to stay sideways long enough.

your supra is a novel idea, but it wont work in real life, and you seem to be the only person that doesnt see that.


this is really off topic, so mods instead of deleting this can you just move it to a new thread called 220hp jza80 drift car or something?

[aristo]

People look up to Alex because he was able to challenge Japanese pro drifters and speaks English extremely well. He's very friendly and everybody knows him.

Erkumi, if you're the foremost expert on drifting, ratios, etc. you should swing by some drift day and build your notoreity with all the other drifters. JOin the national Formula D circuit and come kick some *Censored**Censored**Censored*. You "know" all the physics (drift longer than 5 seconds?), apparently. You've seen all the videos. Now, do what all the pro drifters can't do and show us what you know.
As for momentum, it takes more distance for an AE86 to build momentum than it does a heavier S14. Also, the S14 can carry more momentum because of weight. That's why weight and power is taken into consideration during competitions, otherwise the only car we'd hear about is that tube-framed Viper.

You sound like the sole purpose of drifting is to take the course as fast as you can. I suggest you check out gymkhana if you want to see sideways cars and fast times. Some of them smoke their tires so you might wanna watch out for that.

Before this thread goes back on topic, tell us how you plan to remove 600 pounds out of a Supra.

Thank you for sending this thread horrifically off topic.

[Erkumi]

First of all i live in new hampshire and their is no tracks out here or drift events. And the one drift event that was suppose to be at the patriots stadium, was either canceled or postponed.

Oh and if you read back i already said heavier cars build more momentum because of the weight. By the way if an ae86 and the s14 had the same power weight ratio they would build momentum at the same speed, but since the s14 would be heavier it would carry more momentum. And i said drifting for more than 5 seconds is useless.

As for the supra. Lets start by getting the lighter 3sge motor. C/f hood, c/f fenders, c/f bumpers all around, c/f rear hatch, get the plexi type glass for the sides and rear windows, c/f mirror, take out the a/c and p/s components, get rid of the fuel tank and get a fuel cell, new seats, new steering wheel, new transmission(t50 is a lighter 5 speed), c/f doors, gut out the carpeting and insulation, cut out excesive metal and spot weld to reinforce chassis, if it has a gas tank protector get rid of that. Thats all i can think of for now.

All you have to do is think long and hard about what heavy weight and weak power can do. It would accelerate slow, but once it got up to speed, the weight would carry you through the corner as long as you had a little power to the rear wheels and a proper suspension setup. Its all about balance of power, weight, and suspension tuning.

By the way how much does that s2000 weigh, and how much power does it have.

And you know what as soon as i get alot of money and get my hands on a supra, a 3sg, and a t50 tranny i will show you its possible. Again balance plays a big roll.

[hatebbobbarker]

Originally posted by Erkumi
First of all i live in new hampshire and their is no tracks out here or drift events. And the one drift event that was suppose to be at the patriots stadium, was either canceled or postponed.

Oh and if you read back i already said heavier cars build more momentum because of the weight. By the way if an ae86 and the s14 had the same power weight ratio they would build momentum at the same speed, but since the s14 would be heavier it would carry more momentum. And i said drifting for more than 5 seconds is useless.

As for the supra. Lets start by getting the lighter 3sge motor. C/f hood, c/f fenders, c/f bumpers all around, c/f rear hatch, get the plexi type glass for the sides and rear windows, c/f mirror, take out the a/c and p/s components, get rid of the fuel tank and get a fuel cell, new seats, new steering wheel, new transmission(t50 is a lighter 5 speed), c/f doors, gut out the carpeting and insulation, cut out excesive metal and spot weld to reinforce chassis, if it has a gas tank protector get rid of that. Thats all i can think of for now.

All you have to do is think long and hard about what heavy weight and weak power can do. It would accelerate slow, but once it got up to speed, the weight would carry you through the corner as long as you had a little power to the rear wheels and a proper suspension setup. Its all about balance of power, weight, and suspension tuning.

By the way how much does that s2000 weigh, and how much power does it have.

And you know what as soon as i get alot of money and get my hands on a supra, a 3sg, and a t50 tranny i will show you its possible. Again balance plays a big roll.

s2000 = 2810lbs 240 hp, is that too much power for you...

your supra would cost soooooo much money just to be less then a stock s2000

btw it shows that youve never been to a drift event.