drift movie with s2000 and 300zxTT

[soru81]

I didn't see any drifting; I saw nothing but power slides. Drifting necesites having controlled oversteer Before, near or just after corner entry.

This is basically the same definition I used: starting to slide before the apex of the corner.

Anyhow, also by your definition, there is some drifing in this movie. There are at least 2 combinations of turns (S corners) included in the movie, that are driven in one drift. Even if you powerslide the first corner, the second is drifting - car is oversteering at the entry.

[J-BloodAE86]

Originally posted by gundamzeta
I like your imature adhominems..


I drive on touge, and I race other people on touge.

I didn't see any drifting; I saw nothing but power slides. Drifting necesites having controlled oversteer Before, near or just after corner entry.


I do lots of powerslides at touge in my MR2, which isn't a very smart thing to do, but I have yet to drift.

I've also seen plenty of japanese drivers, through videos, actually "drifting" their cars through mountain passes.

Powersliding is not drifting.

your definition of drifting is incorrect. Keichi Tsuchiya himself says all the time that powerover drifts ARE drifts. you wanna disagree with the fuggen DRIFT KING?? ya so they aren't as good as JDM drivers, but who is?? not you and not me. that is drifting, if you don't think so, YOU do better. comeone, send us a vid of YOUR togue "drifts".

**EVERYONE WHO THINKS THAT IS DRIFTING POST WITH YOUR OPINION**

[gundamzeta]

Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
your definition of drifting is incorrect. Keichi Tsuchiya himself says all the time that powerover drifts ARE drifts. you wanna disagree with the fuggen DRIFT KING?? ya so they aren't as good as JDM drivers, but who is?? not you and not me. that is drifting, if you don't think so, YOU do better. comeone, send us a vid of YOUR togue "drifts".

**EVERYONE WHO THINKS THAT IS DRIFTING POST WITH YOUR OPINION**

i don't doubt the ethos of the dorikin. I realize that he, and his opinions, are extremely important to the sport.

however, Can you tell me when and where he said this? I like to see it for myself.

Like I said before, I powerslid through mountian passes before, but the roads were no where as narrow as the roads presented in the video. I commend, respect and like what happened in those videos, but it wasn't drifting.

[J-BloodAE86]

his opinions are important to the sport??

his opinions ARE the sport.

in Drift Bible he goes through the different types of drifts and he specifically states that "power over" IS a drift.

Where did you formulate your opinion on what is a drift? watching option vids and gaining drift technique vicariously through japanese drifters is all well and good, but in the end, their skill does not realistically translate to american tuning and road condition. power over is a more common drift technique (and it IS a DRIFT technique) in america because the suspension and power tuning are not as advanced as they need to be to pull of high angle sustaned drifts like those of the more heavily tuned JDM counterparts. If you were really part of the drift scene in america you would consider that drifting, because in the end, its all we have right now until the communities skill level and tuning abilities grow.

basically, if you don't consider that drifting then you believe that 98% of american drifting is not legitimate.

[AJ-SPEC]

Man, c'mon guys, I hate to see this turn into a fresh alloy flame war. why not just state your opinion w/o the high school name calling? none of us are pros, and even the best in the US aren't up there yet, so lets just support everyone for whatever they do, especially since they admitted that they are just beginning. Good job for even trying it for the first time on a public road, but be carefull, huh? Nice job though, I need to make a video of us drifting in Dallas...

[AJ-SPEC]

btw, the first video, I get sound but no picture, just the black screen showing a tribute to rwd...

[gundamzeta]

Originally posted by J-BloodAE86
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power over?

I haven't seen the drift bible, but from what I gather from the older Super Drift techniques video is that the power over technique is just another way of oversteering at corner entry.
Power sliding is losing traction after the apex, and that's what these gentlemen did! I'm not trying to bash them, or you; i'm just pointing out those videos contained very ittle "drifting" and a lot of powersliding. Futhermore, I feel that these gentlemen WILL be actually drifting with more practive, at least that is what I can obvserve from the video.

Again, That was an excellent video, and I commend them.

[soru81]

Originally posted by AJ-SPEC
btw, the first video, I get sound but no picture, just the black screen showing a tribute to rwd...

I think you need divx5.1 and you'll be fine. Don't miss this movie.

[Papasmurff]

Hey, as long as they are going sideways is all that matters.
At least they are getting a feel of the car at that angel so in a matter of time they will enter a corner in oversteer and and flow thru the apex so that all u fanatics can actually call it a drift.
Not to mention in most cases the fanatic can not do a full drift anyways on a mountian road; in the most case. I dont want u righting back that u can do it, and ur the exception.
Just have fun w/ it thats the whole point.

[Feint]

Very good video.I enjoyed it and look foward to any future work.I think eceryone should take it as what it is,a good video,regardless of your opinons of drifting.And J-Bloods comment about the Tsuchiya mentioning that in the Drift Bible is correct,I also have the drift bible.Sorus definition of drifting pretty much matches that of Tsuchiyas,which would consider the power over a drift technique.You must remember what drifting means,and not what it can be,as it can come in many different forms which is suited to stye and conditions.

[foilman]

Originally posted by soru81

BTW guys, what does drift as drifting a corner means to you?:

Of course there is a bit of gray area, but my take...

Being sideways before the apex is key... otherwise it's barely worthy of being called drifting. Being sideways at/before the regular turn in point separates drifting from good drifting. Drifting an extended double apex turn or very dynamic radius turn in it's entirety separates the men from the boys. Doing it all with the highest speed, angle, smoothness, and taking a good line (close to racing) and using all the track separates the skilled drifters from the best/pros.

-Tony

[Feint]

Did your friend disable the HICAS on his 300zx? Or did he drift with it on,and if so,how much did it affect the drift.

[«Got TT?»]

The second vid is awesome. Some nice drifts.

[soru81]

He has a switch and I'm pretty sure he had it off....

[lv2drft]

i tried watching the vid, but all i got was sound... is this the same problem as before? sorry for the inconvienence, not the best with computers