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  • #31
    Plain and simple, fwds are easier to drive in any type of weather and much much harder to create a loss of control. Basically, with the tires spinning or not, a fwd will stay straight. It's pretty simple to drive and requires a good deal of work to get it in a bad position.

    For example, you can drive 80mph on freezing rain down the highway. As long as you don't brake or try to turn, you won't even notice you're driving on ice. Now going to a rwd car, the same situation becomes very different. First of all, good luck trying to get up to 80mph, lol. You won't make it past 30mph before the rear end slides out cause of the rolling drag of the front tires. Your rear end is always trying to overtake the front end. If you allow it to, you will spin out. Second, a rwd system is naturally unstable. The front end is creating drag(wanting to go backwards) and the rear end is applying force(wanting to go forwards). Each end basically wants to pass each other, the front wanting to go to the back, the rear end wanting to go up front(like a fwd car). When you decrease available grip, this unstability becomes very pronounced. I just use an icy road as an extreme example. I want you guys to guess what percentage of time I wasn't driving sideways in my bro's old Ford Ranger last winter, lol...good times. Subtract my drive to school and back and subtract corners and hills, lol. Well, there were some straights too, hehe.

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    • #32
      look i didn't mean to sound mean... and i was right, look at the post below yours and its true, all modern fwds have differentials... plain and simple... I didn't say anything about limites slip or locked, i was talking about ANY differential.. please just stay out of this we figured it out and this thread can be deleted any time now

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      • #33
        You talking to me? Well if you are, please closed the thread as you said you will...

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        • #34
          I like my supra in the rain I don't have to turn the wheel very much to turn 90 deg turns I think the rwd is fine in the rain. Furthermore one of the few times I've seen the silvas around here get down was in a snowy parking lot during last winter. I couldn't even drive my supra. I think the ff is easier to drive in the rain if you don't know how to drive. If you have rwd you can use it as an advantage if you master it. This why I like drifting because alot of it has to do with using those hidden advantages.

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          • #35
            Close it!

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            • #36
              where you telling me to close it?
              are you just messing around or are you serious?
              I didn't imply that if you drift an ff you can't drive thats pretty cool to me. However this forum is about disadvantages/adv. and this is my opinion if you can't respect it thats your fault not mine. I never intended to disrespect the ff drifters I just stated my opinion. If you would like to come back with some reasons why I am wrong in my conclusions I'm intrested to hear your opinion. By the way my friend "drifts" his eclipse and he's better than alot of rwd drifiters. Thus proving my point that it's not the machine but the driver,skill,and practice that makes the diffrence.
              I hope that clears things up.

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              • #37
                I meant close the thread...

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                • #38
                  ok I apologize if I sounded rude I thought you wern't telling me to close it but I had to respond.

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                  • #39
                    o sorry i haven't been on this site very long i apologize i don't know how to close the thread... can i actually close it myself?
                    Last edited by scirocco; 08-15-2004, 08:52 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Drift For Food
                      Plain and simple, fwds are easier to drive in any type of weather and much much harder to create a loss of control. Basically, with the tires spinning or not, a fwd will stay straight. It's pretty simple to drive and requires a good deal of work to get it in a bad position.

                      For example, you can drive 80mph on freezing rain down the highway. As long as you don't brake or try to turn, you won't even notice you're driving on ice. Now going to a rwd car, the same situation becomes very different. First of all, good luck trying to get up to 80mph, lol. You won't make it past 30mph before the rear end slides out cause of the rolling drag of the front tires. Your rear end is always trying to overtake the front end. If you allow it to, you will spin out. Second, a rwd system is naturally unstable. The front end is creating drag(wanting to go backwards) and the rear end is applying force(wanting to go forwards). Each end basically wants to pass each other, the front wanting to go to the back, the rear end wanting to go up front(like a fwd car). When you decrease available grip, this unstability becomes very pronounced. I just use an icy road as an extreme example. I want you guys to guess what percentage of time I wasn't driving sideways in my bro's old Ford Ranger last winter, lol...good times. Subtract my drive to school and back and subtract corners and hills, lol. Well, there were some straights too, hehe.
                      fwds will stay in a straight line? what about torque steer??? now about closing this thread...

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                      • #41
                        Sure, there's torque steer, but the amount is car dependent. My old Lesabre never had a problem. It was quite stable and quite happy doing 80mph plus down the gravel roads around my house. Being in Minnesota, snow and ice is common place a few months out of the year. I must say, I've had a very hard time trying to get into an accident with any fwd I've ever owned. I started drifting with that car, and it took quite a bit of coaxing to even get it to drift. It was pretty much impossible on pavement. The rear end would start to hop sideways a tiny bit under very heavy braking near the front tire limit. On gravel with a good amount of feint and braking I had it sliding nicely around corners. Any attempt on pavement was a no go. Weight transfer was just too slow.

                        Now as far as on-throttle characteristics, the only problem you'd ever come across in a fwd is understeer. If you're heavy on the throttle with most stock cars, you will understeer and usually spin the inside tire some. Other than taking a corner too fast and having understeer, there's not much you can do to mess up. Even in winter on snow or ice, you can't really screw up at all by applying the throttle. The front tires will spin, and you won't go anywhere. There's just not much that can go wrong from bad user input.

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                        • #42
                          ok so you say you cant drift drift your fwd. so what happens if you corner too fast?

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                          • #43
                            in most FFs, cornering too fast will cause understeer. if you have a fully locked axle in the rear like i tried for no real reason and if you covert your FF to RF or MF then you will have the polar inertia that will make the car spin happy but thats dumb and expensive. if you want to FF drift just use the braking, lift-off, and feint drift and control with the e-brake, brakes, and sometimes even throttle if it starts to spin but make sure that if and when you give throttle your car is spinning a bit much (you are trying to understeer here AND control the drift to make it around the corner) and your front wheels are not facing corner exit but even sharper than corner exit. and if you want to put on a show like i did with my crx (aka the rice mobile) just try a burnout technique near the corner exit isntead of the aforementioned techique OR with the aforementioned technique to a lesser extent so HOW DO I CLOSE THIS THREAD?!

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                            • #44
                              "in most FFs, cornering too fast will cause understeer."
                              And so will cornering too fast in most FRs.

                              You close it by reporting it to a moderator.

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                              • #45
                                http://www.modernracer.com/tips/fron...oversteer.html

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