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[Tracy]

doesnt change the fact that you are in fact a whack h$#.

yep.

well at least I'm good at something

[Rob Fleming]

well at least I'm good at something

yep.

and u shoulda seen John rocking the HOD it was awesome.

[Tracy]

yep.

and u shoulda seen John rocking the HOD it was awesome.

what is a HOD

[conspire]

I really hate to nit pick...

This thread is on topic. That's why it was started.

actually you said that you weren't impressed by our driving along with several other comments abot the demos that we do. I find that insulting. Insults are not a defense to comments/concerns made by someone. Maybe it is your opinion that my driving sucks. I guess that I can understand. It just doesn't come across that way being that you have never seen me drive

You claimed "I am not known to be conceited, but 8 of the east coasts best drivers were driving at the nopi nationals." I responded with "I hardly think so". Sorry I couldn't put it a nicer way.

My other responses regarding the demonstrations were meant to draw attention to the numerous disregards for safety (sorry for any confusion, as the figure 8's and 4+ car lengths comments don't fit that mold, I apologize). For example, several videos show cars under heavy throttle aimed in the direction of spectators (some events with no barriers at all, only caution tape), several cars with in car passengers and rodeo riding passengers with no helmets, announcers strategically aimed at by cars (again with no helmets, not that getting hit by a car with a helmet will help all that much, but it's better than not having one), barriers not properly locked (in some cases a foot or so apart), and some events where people were standing right behind the barriers with no buffer. The latter is a concern, because the barriers can still move a good 12-18 inches on impact, maybe even more if the collision of a car and the barrier happens head on verses tangent. In any case, I'm a stickler for safety, be it your event or not, your name was associated with it. You could have addressed these concerns with the event organizer after the first event, or atleast figured a way to remedy them. All it takes is for something bad to happen in this sport for us all to suffer its repercussions. Yes, rodeos are cool (well 3 years ago maybe ), but this isn't Japan, we have sue happy citizens and scared insurance companies here. If nothing else, take my comments like a grain of salt.

What were the accusations? I only stated facts, that was my intentions at least. If I accused you of something that wasn't true, please quote it for me and I will gladly apologize.

1. Boy am I glad I didnt waste my time going to the east coast regional events just to lead up to no Formula D licences being given away at the Ohio event

We never promised they would be given away at the event, hence this is wrong.

2. I think that Formula D and the proam should just concentrate on giving licences to people that can actually make it to formula d events, that would help out their driver attendance. lol, wait, that is what they are doing.

This is that hopes and dreams thing you mentioned earlier, I think it may have helped alot of people out, maybe not everyone, but quite possibly you guys as well.

3. So in a nutshell the major flaw with the proam series is as follows:

Major flaw? Yea that's not attacking considering the final event hasn't even happened yet. A more appropiate way of stating these comments may have been:
I see several issues that the Pro-Am may need to be address...
or
Could you please explain this to me better so that I may understand this...
or
What types of exposure can I expect to tell my sponsors will be present at the regional and national events?

4. It seems that Formula D and the pro am are just throwing everyone a bone to keep them happy.

Instead of giving $0.15/mile, since "thats not really any money at all", you think we should not have offered any monetary travel award to the drivers.

5. the proam will not expose these drivers

And you know this because...

6. formula d and the proam are not helping the sport develop new drivers

Why, because now that this grassroots to professional structure is in place in which drivers can aspire and plan to progress in should they choose to compete and place high enough will eventually be awarded licenses they earned?
All of the organizations involved in the Pro-Am offer practice days, instructions, and advice to new drivers. Once they progress they can enter competitions and even participate in the Pro-Am.

7. The concept of the proam series was a great thought when it originally came about but I am not sure what has happened since then

Being negative before the event has even happened has caused you to judge something you have yet to see. You basically made up your mind before you gave it a fair chance, so now your answers reflect your prejudice and show your bias.

8. The proam and formula d are taking the fun out of the sport and are doing nothing for the competitors once again

Because awarding $0.15/mile x 48 drivers is doing nothing for the competitors. Organizing an event in which they can actually rank themselves against other amateurs in the country is doing nothing for the competitors. Giving the drivers a chance to earn their licenses amongst the other top drivers in the country is doing nothing for the competitors. And I think every event is fun if drifting is involved.

9. One more brilliant planning move by the proam series

Sarcasm, yes please.

DG Trials and myself do not put on PRO drifting, so bringing DG up doesn't make sense to me.

Neither do I, U.S.Drift is not professional, hence this applies.

I have no need to call you, Brian. This thread is suiting my needs as it was intended to do. Call me when you get off of work if you feel the need.

I don't, I was attempting to spare the forum from posts such as this.

I already spoke with Ryan and things have been discussed with him....and he was quite nice and informative about it all. Otherwise, this is a public forum and I think I am free to voice my opinions and concerns as I see fit.

Congratulations.

I like the idea of an East Coast Pro series, you don't.

Why create an East Coast specific Professional series? Because you want to be considered professional, but don't want to drive to California. The national professional series currently in effect is fine, could it be better/worse, that is not my call as I do not drive in it, but creating another series will not help the sport of drifting as a whole. You coming from a drag racing background must realize this.

What's the big deal and why can you not carry on an adult debate about it without taking it so personally? This isn't about BRIAN, this is about concerns I had with the proam series and my experiences with it (That in fact started with a conversation about anEast Coast Pro series)..... I aso had a pleasant conversation with John Yim.

I can carry an adult debate, I love to argue, and I only take things personal when people who don't understand or read clearly jump to conclusions and assumptions. As for your Pro-Am experiences, I, being in the East Region, never had the pleasure of dealing with you this season. And btw, John is a great guy (and did exceptionally well at his last event I might add ).

He didn't take it personally and start insulting my teams driving.

See above.

Maybe the better thing to do would have been what John and Ryan did and adress me in a professional manner. I am part of this drifting community whether you like me/it or not. I have a right to express how I feel about certain things.[/

Since when did posting on a posting on a public forum become a professional manner (let alone email for that matter). If so, I want to discuss some things with Bill Gates about my XP issues.

I kow you have done lots of great things for drifting and have worked several years trying to make it work over here. I'm not disputing that. So keep up the good work and try to relax a little when people don't agree with you.

Thank you, flattery will get you everywhere.

[conspire]

what is a HOD

House Of Drift aka Irwindale.

[Tracy]

.....

Posting on a forum can also be connected with your name and your organization. Name affiliation is one of the items you brought up above. The web is the way you do most if not all of your advertising??? correct? If you don't think the web is professional, then get a commercial


Almost everything you quoted was posted by Dan using my screen name and I will take that up with him and make him get his ownscreen name. Either way, those are still his feelings on the matter. 8 of the best drivers were at NOPI nats....not THEE 8 best. I'll be sure to let Andy and Marty and the Drift Brigade know how you feel

The safety issues you brought up I think were about the event held by Tunerfest in Atlanta and we pitched a fit about it. #1 it wasn't our insurance, it was the tracks and they were fully aware of the situation (so you don't need to worry about us ruining your insurance....)

#2 Sam Hubinette was there in the demo as well (we chose not to use him in our video, but I have plenty of pics). I guess maybe you should bring your saftey concerns up to him, as well, if you get a chance. That being said, Sam asked me that day why I wasn't competeing in Formula D. He said he was very impressed with my driving (sincemy driving has beenbrought into this). I was flattered

I haven't "seen" any of the events, true enough...that's part of the problem. Most of them have been cancelled. Also all of the things you nrought up about exposure and blah blah blah, were addressed byJohn when we spoke with him. I wans't on the phone, Dan was, but it was our understanding that there is no media coverage to be expected (as far as mags and TV). That's not to say that it will NEVER happen....but for now, it hasn't..has it?

don't, I was attempting to spare the forum from posts such as this.

I'm glad to hear that you think what I have to say carries no weight or value. I guessother can assume that you will treat them the same way if you don't like what they have to say.

Why create an East Coast specific Professional series? Because you want to be considered professional, but don't want to drive to California. The national professional series currently in effect is fine, could it be better/worse, that is not my call as I do not drive in it, but creating another series will not help the sport of drifting as a whole. You coming from a drag racing background must realize this.

Ok almighty and all knowing one. Shall we call you Nostrodamus (SP)? I never said we didn't want to drive to cali. We are not just speaking about myself (incase you missed that). Our sponsors have already decided to foot the bill if Dan makes it into FD. We are talking about drifters over here in general. I know we are not the only ones concerned...trust me.

I, comming from a drag racing back ground, realize that it was great that we could compete in a pro points series entirely on the East Coast.

One more thing? Can you "o so 3 years ago" rodeo?

Ok this was real fun guys, but I have to go home now and I don't have the internet there for reasons like this. Ta Ta

[Slapshotnerd]

tracy - you look very conceited right now. Nobody can give you any sort of answer to anything without you snapping back. Nothing is perfect (except your series ). We all have things we can learn. THe world doesn't revolve around you, nor does it revolve around formula D. both can be improved upon greatly. Live and learn.

Now, if you have legitimate suggestions and advice on how to improve the FD amateur series, feel free to discuss them with John, Naoki, or other people involved. If you're just going to *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* and complain, and plug/brag about drift fury, please take it elsewhere. I don't think i'm the only one tired of reading all of your posts.

[Mike Peters]

everyone arguing and not working together is going to kill drifting.

i still love everyone.

[D1 DRIFTER]

everyone arguing and not working together is going to kill drifting.

i still love everyone.

WERD TO THAT

[hatebbobbarker]

everyone arguing and not working together is going to kill drifting.

i still love everyone.

its so much easier to love your self though, im gonna go look in my full length mirror now and vogue

[NM Drift Group]

its so much easier to love your self though, im gonna go look in my full length mirror now and vogue

Off Topic but I can see Mike doin that!!!

[Mike Peters]

at least 10 times a day. but no more than 12. unlucky 13 hurts my beauty.

[Tuner]

at least 10 times a day. but no more than 12. unlucky 13 hurts my beauty.

I'd say somewhere between 8 and 4500 times for Mike

[Mike Peters]

life goals.
have them.
be them.

[roscoe]

Tracy,

Throwing an event at a previously established drifting venue and deciding to keep track of points is hardly worth boasting about. Anyone can do it and many people do. At your second event (Drift Expo, remember), you guys promised bikini contests, stunt bikes, drifting, and a car show, but all you delivered was the drifting and car show because you guys were shut down. Thats what happens when you lie to the venue about your intentions....good job building up the sport. You say division is bad, thats funny, you guys decided to do your own thing in a city with "three organizations".....a conscience decision to make your own series.

To get a chance at obtaining the FD license you must be willing to travel NATIONALLY more than once, so complaining about one trip to Nevada, shows me and others you guys do not posses the dedication to participate at a serious level.You want the events in your backyard, and complain about traveling.

Good job labeling yourself as one of the top eight drifters on the east coast....why not attend an actual competition and see how you stack up....all of you. Bring all 8 and see how you do, because usually the events are not in a 400 x 400 flat parking lot with no cones in sight. Please. And you probably don't speak on behalf of more then a very few people in the southeast....you and one other.