DAIJIRO YOSHIHARA to drive TANIGUCHI's old S15.

[Joe Ae86 Irl]

Hks Europe have has the two ex D1 Japan HKS S15's , the RS1 and RS2 , they have been used to promote HKS around europe and have just done demos over the past 18months.

the driver for these cars in europe has been Julian Smith www.garage-d.com

have been talks ofone of the Silvias going to the USA but for HKS USA

[Slapshotnerd]

NOTE: This was put in the APRIL edition of Super Street, which has several other APRIL FOOLS jokes hidden within it!

I'm not sure how much I would take this information seriously...

[MonkeySlide]

NOTE: This was put in the APRIL edition of Super Street, which has several other APRIL FOOLS jokes hidden within it!

I'm not sure how much I would take this information seriously...

It's legit man.

I've heard it from RJ, Jerry, and their Rockstar Energy Drink contact.

I think other people in this thread have also talked to Jerry too.

Unless...you're trying to April fool us early by making us think that we have already been fooled!....We're on to you..

[tyndago]

And dude... if you think that Grand American, Speed World Challenge, or other series where basically all the competitors run the same chassis is entertaining... thats on you. But seeing those series have bigger fan bases and rake in a lot more cash and factory back support I guess you can't go wrong. Thats why I'm not that big of a road racing or nascar fan

Open mouth, insert foot. I've been reading your rambling diatribe, and you really seem to have no concept of why a team or people choose to use a certain platform.

I'm glad you get help from friends on your "miata", but how many miatas drift professionally ?

Speed World Challenge. Lets see, last year I was involved with a Nissan Skyline GT-R in the series, so I might have some insight. We raced against Corvettes, Cadillacs, Vipers, Aston Martins, 911 - cup cars and turbos, Volvo, Mustang, and even a WRX. All cars based on a stock chassis. In Touring car there are everything from Acura, BMW, Mazda, to Volkswagon racing.

A good way to spend a ton of money, while being non competitive is to chose an off platform. Its a way to get noticed, and get coverage, but if you are there to win, the proven platform is the way to go.

There is no such thing as "drift specific" parts. A drift car should be setup with similar principals to a race car. It should be easy for the driver to control based on many factors. The thing is most guys have no idea of setup. They go out there and force the car to do something. If they knew anything about car setup, then it might make it easier. You might see more US guys make top 16 at D1.

Why do the "pro" drivers do win the championships in Formula D ? Time in the car, setup, and feedback on the setup.

If you don't have the time and money to do your own testing and setup, then get the same car as someone else, and copy their setup. See if it works for you.

[Bebop]

Open mouth, insert foot. I've been reading your rambling diatribe, and you really seem to have no concept of why a team or people choose to use a certain platform.

I'm glad you get help from friends on your "miata", but how many miatas drift professionally ?

Speed World Challenge. Lets see, last year I was involved with a Nissan Skyline GT-R in the series, so I might have some insight. We raced against Corvettes, Cadillacs, Vipers, Aston Martins, 911 - cup cars and turbos, Volvo, Mustang, and even a WRX. All cars based on a stock chassis. In Touring car there are everything from Acura, BMW, Mazda, to Volkswagon racing.

A good way to spend a ton of money, while being non competitive is to chose an off platform. Its a way to get noticed, and get coverage, but if you are there to win, the proven platform is the way to go.

There is no such thing as "drift specific" parts. A drift car should be setup with similar principals to a race car. It should be easy for the driver to control based on many factors. The thing is most guys have no idea of setup. They go out there and force the car to do something. If they knew anything about car setup, then it might make it easier. You might see more US guys make top 16 at D1.

Why do the "pro" drivers do win the championships in Formula D ? Time in the car, setup, and feedback on the setup.

If you don't have the time and money to do your own testing and setup, then get the same car as someone else, and copy their setup. See if it works for you.

I'm not the one who brought up the fact there is sooo many porsche 911s in GT series. And seriously, can we stop comparing pro racing to pro drifting. No matter what car you run in a racing series if your the fastest you win. There are no judges saying "well this guy won the race, but this guy showed more heart so he wins". Judges like too see diferent out of the ordinary things in drifting, and off platform you say? Any car thats rear wheel drive can get down, over the years in the sport there has been so many diferent chassis competing on the top level of the sport it baffles me that people keep on wanting to use the same chassis, especially pros with the budget too make something cool and original.

Who are the top drivers in FD, Sam and Rhys... what do they run? GTO and Viper, how many vipers or gtos are ranked professionally...none. Who are the top 2 drivers in D1, Kumo and Ken. What do they run 4 door skyline, and a FR impreza. Both aren't that popular among pros. But they still figure out a way to engineer these things to perform with the very basic easy to set up S chassis. Now there are some drift specific parts, if not explain brands kazzama, Ueo style, battle version, etc etc.... oh yea even JIC. They make steering rack parts for AE86s and S chassis that are marketed too the drift community because in the sport of drifting you need lots of steering angle and extreme alignment settings. You cant get that with stock suspensions setting so companies produce parts for them.

I have no problem with some average Joe making average money or some low budget team running a chassis that 1000 competitors use because they are cheaper to build. They have a bigger after market, you can build the car with parts that are mass produced... mass produced parts=cheaper then custom parts. But hey, when your a big company, or a team sponsored by a big company why walk the line, why build cars that have been seen 1000 times? When you have the tools too build something that hasn't ever been seen before and can compete just as good as the other 1000 same chassis cars in the sport? Then you want too talk about why isn't there many miata pros drifters... answer is kinda easy when you think about it. Its a cheaper car to purchase, so the buyer that buys it will have a smaller budget to build a car. The miata is very similar to the AE86 in power and weight, yet the ae86 has a huuuuugggggeeeee amount of drift specific parts mass produced. *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* for the money i spend developing one good miata I can probably build 2 or 3 s chassis or AE86s that can perform just as good as the highly developed miata.

But you know what... some people just like to be diferent. Some people don't want to drive cookie cutter cars. Some people can comprehend that the judges and fans like to see new things. I tell you what though, if i built a good miata and won FD championship with it and mass produced all the parts i developed for the car I bet there would be a hell of a lot more miata drifters out there. And maybe a half a dozen teams running the chassis. But isn't that how race parts are developed anyway???? Companies build develop parts for a car, run them in a race series or in a number of diferent series, then thet put them on the market too buy. As for Dai.. I see it as just moving up. When I think of good S13 drivers first person I think of is Dai. Hes upgrading too a S15, he has a big chance at the championship next year so I wish him the best.

WAR YOSHIHARA!!!!!

[tyndago]

And seriously, can we stop comparing pro racing to pro drifting. No matter what car you run in a racing series if your the fastest you win. There are no judges saying "well this guy won the race, but this guy showed more heart so he wins". Judges like too see diferent out of the ordinary things in drifting, and off platform you say?

No. Professional drifting requires a similar skill set, and attitude as professional road racing. D1 requires a proper racing line while maintaining car control in a drift.

There would be more "top" drifters if they took the same ideas as professional road racing to professional drifting. If more people want to simply languish and try and drive a car that is undriveable, and force it to drift, they will not see any sucess.

I'm really getting sick of the "touge hardcore mountain" drifter wanna bes.

You see people like you that fail to see the link between drifting and road racing, will continue to be a wanna be amatuer that "would have, could have, should have".

Who are the top drivers in FD, Sam and Rhys... what do they run? GTO and Viper, how many vipers or gtos are ranked professionally...none.

Do you really have any clue at all about motorsports? Well the GTO is dead. It did win two championships in Grand Am, and as a Holden they race in Australia. Last season, TRG teammates Marc Bunting and Andy Lally took their second GT title in three years, with five victories in 13 races in their Pontiac GTO, which was also good enough for the team championship. But with the GTO out of production...


Vipers have run Lemans- won in 1998. They won the FIA GT2 championship between 1997-2002. Viper Comp Coup runs in World Challenge.

According to Wikipeida - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Viper

Now there are some drift specific parts, if not explain brands kazzama, Ueo style, battle version, etc etc.... oh yea even JIC. They make steering rack parts for AE86s and S chassis that are marketed too the drift community because in the sport of drifting you need lots of steering angle and extreme alignment settings. You cant get that with stock suspensions setting so companies produce parts for them.

No. There are parts marketed to the drift community. There is a difference. These are parts that are used for racing just marketed differently. Any of the parts I see, I see being developed for other forms of racing and utilized by drifters.

Extreme alignment settings. I would guess you say this when you have no idea what an alignment setting will do to the handling of the car. Camber, caster, toe. All stuff that is used by real race cars. All parts to set alignment that existed before drifting existed.

But hey, when your a big company, or a team sponsored by a big company why walk the line, why build cars that have been seen 1000 times? When you have the tools too build something that hasn't ever been seen before and can compete just as good as the other 1000 same chassis cars in the sport?

Big company or team. You have some illusions of grandure. Racing/drifting is a good way to turn a large fortune into a small one. None of the companies sponsoring I know of are paying any real money. Enough to cover expenses, but thats about it.

Development is expensive. I don't think anyone in drifting in the US has the money to do any real development on cars.

[tyndago]

Then you want too talk about why isn't there many miata pros drifters... answer is kinda easy when you think about it. Its a cheaper car to purchase, so the buyer that buys it will have a smaller budget to build a car. The miata is very similar to the AE86 in power and weight, yet the ae86 has a huuuuugggggeeeee amount of drift specific parts mass produced. *Censored**Censored**Censored**Censored* for the money i spend developing one good miata I can probably build 2 or 3 s chassis or AE86s that can perform just as good as the highly developed miata.

I think I get it now. You "NEED" drift parts to make your Miata drift. So without these "drift" parts, you can't drift.

Makes perfect sense.

Although the last I checked - Miatas were raced a lot. Even so much as there is a specific spec series called "Spec Miata". I am not so versed in the Miatas as I personally find small two seat convertibles as perfect womens or *Censored**Censored**Censored* mens cars.

I put Miata suspension into Google and came back with 721,000 results.

So why aren't there any professional Miata drifters ? Real men drive other cars ?

Or maybe the problem is that the " miata drifters" fail to see the link between professional racing and professional drifting.

[FC3slider88]

My friend Chelsea Denofa is a pro miata drifter. Sure he didn't get into Formula D but that's because FD is quite hard to get into because it's not about skill, there are politics involved. He went to a FD qualifyer and was in the top 3. He won his last tandem run but he got disqualifed because he did a small burnout at the start. For 07 he has sponsors including dunlop and he gets to go all over the U.S. doing drift events. And this kid is only 18yrs old. So just because you don't see people winning with cars that aren't popular in pro-drifting doesn't mean that people like that aren't out there. Once again, sadly, getting sponsored or getting to the pro level is not all about driver skill, there are other things involved. Sure, I'm a great drifter and I have been drifting for about 6 years and have only met a handfull of people (outside of FD or D1 of course) who I consider to be really skilled. I mean, people who can jump into any car and pick it up in a few laps even if it's like a stock 240 with open diff or someone else's super built up car. But a lot of these guys don't have the means or funds to build up their own cars to competition spec and on top of that be able to afford to drive far from home to events. I could get sponsored, but sponsors don't only want someone who's good, they want exposure and if you can't provide that by attending different events than you are out of luck. Sorry to get off topic, just my 2 cents.

[Bebop]

No. Professional drifting requires a similar skill set, and attitude as professional road racing. D1 requires a proper racing line while maintaining car control in a drift.

There would be more "top" drifters if they took the same ideas as professional road racing to professional drifting. If more people want to simply languish and try and drive a car that is undriveable, and force it to drift, they will not see any sucess.

I'm really getting sick of the "touge hardcore mountain" drifter wanna bes.

You see people like you that fail to see the link between drifting and road racing, will continue to be a wanna be amatuer that "would have, could have, should have".

I never said that there wasn't a skill link between road racing and drifting. Being a SCCA licence holder my self I can safely say my road racing skills don't take anything away from my drifting. I suggest anyone getting into drifting to go to a road race school first, or at least attend lots of grip track days or auto X. But there is a a big difference between the way the two sports are ran and how the winner is chosen. There's no classes separating the slower cars from the faster ones. No rules what engines too run or what chassis too use.

You gotta formulate a budget, gain sponsors, put together a team of techs and drivers, oh yea both sports are run on pavement. But other then that, two totally diferent concepts between the two sports.



Do you really have any clue at all about motorsports? Well the GTO is dead. It did win two championships in Grand Am, and as a Holden they race in Australia. Last season, TRG teammates Marc Bunting and Andy Lally took their second GT title in three years, with five victories in 13 races in their Pontiac GTO, which was also good enough for the team championship. But with the GTO out of production...


Vipers have run Lemans- won in 1998. They won the FIA GT2 championship between 1997-2002. Viper Comp Coup runs in World Challenge.

According to Wikipeida - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Viper

And your acting like I don't know this... but can any of those championship road race cars be ran in FD or D1 without any modification or change of settings? I'm pretty sure RMR took notes from the teams who built those Australian Holden in the V8 supercar series (i think its called that), but its not 100% setup like one. And you say the GTO is dead like its a bad thing, S chassis have been dead for 5 years but it doesnt keep people from building and competing in them or thousands companies from making parts for them.


<b>No. There are parts marketed to the drift community. There is a difference. These are parts that are used for racing just marketed differently. Any of the parts I see, I see being developed for other forms of racing and utilized by drifters.

Extreme alignment settings. I would guess you say this when you have no idea what an alignment setting will do to the handling of the car. Camber, caster, toe. All stuff that is used by real race cars. All parts to set alignment that existed before drifting existed.</b>

LMAO, I used the phrase "Extreme alignment settings" so I wouldn't have to go into ever single alignment detail expecting that someone would know the alignment settings on a D car are very diferent from a Grip car. I drive a miata, it alignment settings are more adjustable stock then S chassis or the AE86s. Another reason why the S chassis and Corollas have a bigger suspension after market then the miata, there not as adjustable as lets say a FC or a miata or a FD (double wishbone), but those cars also lack serious steering angle. Thats why there's a lot of companies that make just tie rods for the double wishbone. I do feel the miata needs better aligment setting that it cant get from the stock control arms though, I personaly need more camber. We will see after the tie rods come in. Maybe I can work with Alex to make some better control arms.



<b>Big company or team. You have some illusions of grandure. Racing/drifting is a good way to turn a large fortune into a small one. None of the companies sponsoring I know of are paying any real money. Enough to cover expenses, but thats about it.

Development is expensive. I don't think anyone in drifting in the US has the money to do any real development on cars</b>

Well in the states of course, drifting is still young over here. But you saying Mopar and GM are paying Rhys and Sam just enough money to compete....LOL

OK if you choose too believe that go ahead. I know there are a lot of teams who just doing it for the love of the sport. 99% of the drivers have real careers that put the food on the table and the roofs over there heads. That will soon change as drifting gets bigger, more TV = more money = more money equates to more Pros (people making a living off of the sport alone).

[Bebop]

My friend Chelsea Denofa is a pro miata drifter. Sure he didn't get into Formula D but that's because FD is quite hard to get into because it's not about skill, there are politics involved. He went to a FD qualifyer and was in the top 3. He won his last tandem run but he got disqualifed because he did a small burnout at the start. For 07 he has sponsors including dunlop and he gets to go all over the U.S. doing drift events. And this kid is only 18yrs old. So just because you don't see people winning with cars that aren't popular in pro-drifting doesn't mean that people like that aren't out there. Once again, sadly, getting sponsored or getting to the pro level is not all about driver skill, there are other things involved. Sure, I'm a great drifter and I have been drifting for about 6 years and have only met a handfull of people (outside of FD or D1 of course) who I consider to be really skilled. I mean, people who can jump into any car and pick it up in a few laps even if it's like a stock 240 with open diff or someone else's super built up car. But a lot of these guys don't have the means or funds to build up their own cars to competition spec and on top of that be able to afford to drive far from home to events. I could get sponsored, but sponsors don't only want someone who's good, they want exposure and if you can't provide that by attending different events than you are out of luck. Sorry to get off topic, just my 2 cents.

I feel you 100%, there's a lot of good drivers who don't have the funds to put together a good car to compete in multiple events a year. Even if it just on the pro am level its hard. Unless your filthy rich you will go broke before you go "pro".... or even just to get a licence. But everyone isn't in it for the fame, I just like hanging out and driving with my buddies. As long as I can do that I'm cool. With all this emphasis about being pro people loose focus on having fun.

[tyndago]

My friend Chelsea Denofa is a pro miata drifter. Sure he didn't get into Formula D but that's because FD is quite hard to get into because it's not about skill, Once again, sadly, getting sponsored or getting to the pro level is not all about driver skill, there are other things involved.

I have met Chelsea last year when I was in Florida. He should know who I am if you asked. We have a mutual friend in Chip VanVurst. Chip is a professional driver, and runs cars in Spec Miata.

A "pro" miata drifter would be running in a professional series. Someone may have the skills to be a pro, but until you make it into a competition you are just another aspiring amateur.

Sure, I'm a great drifter and I have been drifting for about 6 years and have only met a handfull of people

People who are actually great , dont need to say they are.

Me , I am a professional F1 driver, however because of politics, and a lack of money, they will not let me into a car to prove my skills. However, I am the greatest F1 driver to ever live. Think about those statements for a second.


Sorry - going way off topic.....

[FC3slider88]

Well, sorry if I came off like I'm bragging, if you met me in real life I'm quite humble about my driving. I don't need to prove how good I am. But yeah, that sucks about the whole politics thing. I just hope I'll have enough money some day to be able to get noticed and sponsored and move up. Right now I'm going to college and don't have a job.

[Bebop]

Me , I am a professional F1 driver, however because of politics, and a lack of money, they will not let me into a car to prove my skills. However, I am the greatest F1 driver to ever live. Think about those statements for a second.


Sorry - going way off topic.....

Thats diferent, there is no way to know if you are a good F1 driver without driving a F1 spec car on a F1 spec course. In drifting the sport is so grassroot oriented you can compete in D1 or FD in a car you use on a amature level. Just look at Henry Schelley, or John with the baby blue 86, they compete those cars on the grassroot level and on the pro level. You cant show up too a formula 1 race with a Formula Russell Rotary Chassis and expect them to let you make some qualifying runs....even if they aloud you too the best driver in the world couldn't make a lap time to get in the grid.

Oh btw... Chelsea is a thug... he is mos def FD material

[mr john]

man im tired of hearing people talk about the "politics" in drifting. have you ever noticed the only people that complain about the politics are the ones at the bottom of the field, or the ones who dont get a license. getting a formula d license is so straight forward and fair its unbelievable. honestly if people cant afford to even do the events needed to obtain a license how the hell are they going to be able to compete at a professional level? i dont know this miata drifter guy but if hes doing burnouts where/when hes not supposed to then thats his fault, not formula d's.

all the people ive been around who are good enough to compete at a professional level have really not had very much problem obtaining licenses. id say out of the 16 or so new drivers that got formula d licenses for this year, only 4-5 will probably actually compete. as a diriver who has no sponsors, maintains my own car, pays everyting out of pocket including all needed fees and traveling, i have honestly had no issues getting licensing and competing. so i really dont feel bad for others that complain about money or the hardships of drifting. if someone wants it bad enough, and are good enough, they will make it happen and it will be that much sweeter when they actually make it.

[Piner]

BTW Guys Chelsea Just got his Nopi Pro License

GO CHELSEA!!