Drift for Dummies.. help me out guys

[DriftDisciple]

Nismo,
There should be a nut on a threaded shaft underneath the boot on your e-brake lever. Take off the boot at use a deep socket to move the nut further down the shaft. This will effectively shorten the cable and allow braking with only a short pull up. What I described is for an S-13. Also, if it is really as bad as you make it sound maybe it's time for some rear brake assembly maintenance, or maybe even the e-brake lever pivot point has been damaged- you will be able to see that if you take out the center consul.

[EngelAzreal]

Hey, im new.

Hey, what up everyone. Just needing some help with my lil car situation. I've got a 1994 Pontiac Bonnivle SSEI Supercharged, and my dad is trying to seel it, so i can get something in the $6500 range. Now, my question is, i need help on a good car to start drifting in. well... Drift/Street race in. Im a Fan or the 240SX, but only with the SR20DET in it, the MR-2 Spyder 2nd Gen, the 300ZX, and the RX-7 3rd Gen. I have no real personal hand on EXP with drifting, but me and my friends buddy does simlpe drifts, and well... its fun.... for the 3 seconds.. To mension not real drifts like you guys. But yeah... i need so help, on what to get, and i beleave im going to the Boomers meet, me and my Buddy... Panda something, cant remember it. If someone can help, i thank you a lot, and if not, np. Ohh yeah.. didnt i mension that im only 16? lol, yeah thats right, im starting young, so i can maybe get good as you Drifters one day. Peace.

[DrifterN]

Re: Hey, im new.

Originally posted by EngelAzreal
Hey, what up everyone. Just needing some help with my lil car situation. I've got a 1994 Pontiac Bonnivle SSEI Supercharged, and my dad is trying to seel it, so i can get something in the $6500 range. Now, my question is, i need help on a good car to start drifting in. well... Drift/Street race in. Im a Fan or the 240SX, but only with the SR20DET in it, the MR-2 Spyder 2nd Gen, the 300ZX, and the RX-7 3rd Gen. I have no real personal hand on EXP with drifting, but me and my friends buddy does simlpe drifts, and well... its fun.... for the 3 seconds.. To mension not real drifts like you guys. But yeah... i need so help, on what to get, and i beleave im going to the Boomers meet, me and my Buddy... Panda something, cant remember it. If someone can help, i thank you a lot, and if not, np. Ohh yeah.. didnt i mension that im only 16? lol, yeah thats right, im starting young, so i can maybe get good as you Drifters one day. Peace.

so wait........you like the 240sx but only if it has an Sr20det?
ok well at your age does it really matter whether or not you really have an Sr20 yet? i mean sure it would be sick if you could get an Sr20 installed into a 240 but you just want to get into the drifting scene so i wouldn't really worry too much about the engine install.
i think the main thing for you as a beginner is to worry about the tires you're going to have to replace when you F them up and maybe installing some shocks or whatever you feel you're going to need to accomplish your drifting. well thats what i would do......but hey do whatever you think is good for you as for those others like the MR2 i think they're oversteer crazy....i think i'm not sure but don't flame me for saying that anyone!!!!! i have nothing really to say about the 3Z except for its heavy and i've never seen it drift before so it might be interesting to see.... and as for the 3rd Gen Rx-7 good luck those are running at a hefty price...
but defintely i would look into the 240 because to me thats the perfect starter drifting car!

[Drift For Food]

Yep fwd will limit you some. Basically, you can't use the throttle to maintain the drift. You're forced to brake all the way through or use the e-brake. I guess you could just feint strong as well.

I starting tinkering with the drift idea with my old Buick Lesabre. She's no drift car. I could never get the rear to break loose on pavement, just could shift the weight fast enough, that and I did try since I learned that i could brake hard into the corner to get the rear loose.

For techniques, it's the same as a rwd with the acception of throttle. Throttle does the opposite of a rwd. Some things to learn:

- e-brake if you've got a hand one. This is a good learning tool to find out what your car does when the rear end gets loose. It'll be a necessity tool for drift manipulation since you have little other means to keep the rear end loose.

- braking drift is a good technique to easy into a slide. If you're comfortable with grip driving and pushing your car with traction, you can do this pretty easy. Come in past and brake into and part way through the corner. How hard you brake and how much you turn is both car and corner dependent. When you brake hard, you shift most of the weight to the front tires. This makes the rear end loose a lot of traction. When you turn into the corner, the rear will slide out. You just need to figure out how hard you need to do it to ge the rear end loose enough. Another note is that you'll have to come in fast into the corner. Since you're braking quite a bit, you'll need to counter that with initial speed. This is why you should really know how fast you can take corners through grip driving as well as how much braking you can do before the tire lock up.

- feint is another fun one. This can be good or bad. It's hard to get right. Feint is all about weight shift. You turn away from the corner to shift the weight to the inside. Then you quickly turn back into the corner to throw the weight to the outside. This will throw the rear end out. When I was starting to play with drifting, this i what I used. I basically learned how hard I needed to feint to get the rear out as far as I wanted to. The sharper the corner, the stronger the feint. You adjust the the feint strength to accomodate the corner. Since my Lesabre didn't have a hand e-brake let alone one that was useable(would stick on), I relied primarily on this one to control the rear end.

That's about all you have with a fwd. Throttle can be used to slide the front out a little of you pulled the e-brake a little too long or feinted a little too strong. As you get used to sliding your car around a corner, start combining techniques. For example, a good way to start a drift is to actually combine braking and feint techniques. Brake hard into a corner while feinting a little. This will make it easier to get the rear end out.

For adjustments while in mid drift, you can do a few things. If you're rear end isn't out enough, pull the e-brake. If you came in fast enough, you can tap the brakes to shift the weight forward and bring the rear out some. If you're over sliding, use a little throttle too loosen up the front end. Also, steer more into the slide. With a front wheel drive, you have to be quick to recenter the wheel if you're steered into the skid. If the rear catches, you'll turn yourself into the ditch.

Start off slow. I personally like gravel just for ease and minimal tire wear. It's also slower than asphalt. Play it safe, go easy, and start slow. Use your head.

[EngelAzreal]

Nice, Thx guys.

I have been looking at the 240SX for a long time, but the ones im mostly interested in are the ones with the right conversion kits on, look like the Japanese S15. What year are those, and if its no trouble, i need a site that has them before the kits are on, and after the kits are on. Thx again, have a great day guys.

[DrifterN]

Re: Nice, Thx guys.

Originally posted by EngelAzreal
I have been looking at the 240SX for a long time, but the ones im mostly interested in are the ones with the right conversion kits on, look like the Japanese S15. What year are those, and if its no trouble, i need a site that has them before the kits are on, and after the kits are on. Thx again, have a great day guys.

umm so you want a RHD Shell of an s15? lets just say for the most part its going to burn the biggest hole in your pocket!!!! and that wouldn't be too great....you want to drive on the ride side well you can import them over to america but still its going to cost you $$$$. as the for the s15 look such as the front end i wouldn't stick that onto an s13 or s14.. reason being is on an s13 somebody did the s15 conversion and it didn't look right and i think it was from one of my option magz and as for the s14.5 look i think its played out and overdone and plus thats probably about the closest you'll get to an s15 oppose to owning one......sure you can drop the s15 sr20 but that doesn't come cheap and the labor and all that good stuff is pretty hefty..
the hatchback s15 conversion doesn't look all that bad. but hey i'm not really sure what sites carry RHD shells but i'll keep a look out for ya!
to be honest i don't really think you should worry to much about it being RHD if thats what you want it to be. i would stick with the 89-94 240sx and convert it to its natural self or stick with the 95-98 and keep it as it is or do an evil eye conversion.....worry about learning to drift well then go for the big stuff!

[S13_Steve]

when i first started to dori in my s13.... i tried different techniques....the funny thing is when i least expect it my car slides which scares me and then after the run i was like...whoah i drifted..... now i know when the car is going to break traction, weight shifting, all that good stuff..... basically you screw around the first month or w/e till you realize what ur doing and when u got the idea of how ur car runs then ur good to go ...auto dori owns u!

[PandaFD3S]

Hey Engel bro

I think what you meant by looks like an S15, is the front end headlight conversion, because theres prettymuch no way with your price range that you could afford an s15 or an s15 shell ...
even though thatd be pretty sweet and id prolly kill you and take it from you haha hahah ahahaha ohh sorry anyways this is what you should look for if you want a s13/s14 to look like a s15.

[Drift For Food]

I'm curious why people are so stuck on making their cars look like S15's. I'd personally save the money and spend it on some suspension work or just tires and gas. Maybe make a crash fund with it. I'm being a little more practicle, but hey, drifting shouldn't be about how my car looks. I'd personally have far greater satisfaction in having an awesome suspesion setup and a car that drifts like it was born to drive sideways. I'd also want to have enough for tires and gas when I get done so my beautiful drift car doesn't turn into a giant lawn ornament. That's just me To each their own I guess.

[PandaFD3S]

good point

but if i had an extra 100 bucks i think id shell it out for some S15 lights.........plus they would be HID (high intensity discharge) so night drifting would be a whole lot easier

[DrifterN]

Re: good point

Originally posted by PandaFD3S
but if i had an extra 100 bucks i think id shell it out for some S15 lights.........plus they would be HID (high intensity discharge) so night drifting would be a whole lot easier

haha no doubt i would do the same thing as you!
i think the reason why people mostly set their eyes on making their 240 look like an s15 is because thats about the closest as they'll get to an s15. i remember one guy on the option video i have, he took an s14 did an s13 front end conversion and an s15 back end conversion. it was freaking expensive!! they had to graft it on with fiber glass i think. it looked nice but man way too much. plus i think the s15 headlights are sexy. s14 headlights=aggressive and s13 just sick looking! it just really depends on the person and what they like hahaha.

[EngelAzreal]

grrrrr... i hate my mouse.

Grrrrrr.... *bites mouse* i hate this damned thing. Hmmm.. Minnesota, my friend is there for school. Cant drive a stick... how sad is that. Cars should only have a Manual tranny, only Autos for the old people..... Also known as the Granny Tranny! Ok, back to the point that i need to get up to. The reason why i said about only a 240SX with an SR20DET, is that i rather have the horse power there, and know that i have more than just a stock one. I mostly look at cars with 200hp... habbit. Money for putting it in is no prob, my dad is just about a mechanic on that part, he installed an engine for his old *Censored**Censored**Censored* truck a few years back. For the cars i look at is mostly the engine, it has to have at least 200hp, with some amout on torque near the hp, and the speed is another factor. The bdy can always be modded. SOooo yeah... Thats just about it. Leme know how lame that was so i can not ramble on... just got home from school, and tired, but hyped up. Peace.

[monkeymagic]

hey

Originally posted by AE86 luva!
i dont tink the E brake is good for drifting......i mean it helps but for i beginer i would suggest puttin good tires in front,and shitty in da back.Goood for gettin started at low speeds.

Yeah that could work but most of the time when u drift an ff ur front tires wear more then the back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1lol

[PandaFD3S]

ewwww

engel>also known as the granny tranny


ummm engel i think your mind is on something else LOL


P.S. YOU AINT KOOL LIKE KOOL-AID

[PandaFD3S]

ohh yeah

and Engel (dani) your mouse sucks *Censored**Censored**Censored*, i almost threw it against the wall when i was over.....get a new one