FORMULA D Rule Changes...

[deadpirate]

i want a goody bag...who do i ask for?

[PeakPerformance]

This will be my last post in regards to this topic.

Again, I am not on this thread to try and argue that the suspension is illegal, that is not my job. I am not trying to get the Team SA car banned so that there is less competition. I want to see the car run and compete in the series.

I am just saying, IF IF IF, FD deems the suspension to be illegal, then change it or stop running. FD owns the court, if you don't like the rules, then take your ball and go home, which would be unfortunate. Like I said, if you go home, drifting will continue and I doubt people will stop watching drifting.

If you have an issue with the way that FD handled this, then have a meeting with them and bring it up to them. Petition your request, I am sure they will do whatever to make the series better, they are not unreasonable.

AGAIN, I am on this thread to encourage Roo and Victor to not make this a public trial. Winning support on here is not going to make FD all of sudden change their decision, or I doubt it will. Roo I know that you are an American that can clearly understand English, so you must have read the rulebook, if there was something that was not clear, I think you should have discussed it with Randy or FD. For you to say that the setup was allowed in D1 really doesnt mean anything. Also the way you brought this whole problem to drifting.com is not the Japanese way, is it? I think that both sides are going to be hurt and really no one benefits from this public argument.

As a friendly competitor, do what FD asks and lets get back to racing. Blaze thinks that we can't handle the competition and that we have no sympathy for you. Again he is wrong, Bergenholtz and Peak want you to get the car modified so it meets the regulations of FD. If we didn't want to see you run, we would have protested your car.

Lastly, I understand your argument that everyone has modified suspension and that you feel you are being singled out. Like I said, this may be true it may not, I am not going to argue that. I don't know all the details, but currently there is a problem. We can keep pounding our fists in the sand saying this is not fair! It might not be fair in your eyes, but the bottom line is they are saying there is some sort of rules violation. Are we going to get it fixed and race or keep crying about it?

Blaze I understand that you are upset and disappointed that all the FD teams don't rally around Team SA and petition to let the car run. I hate to break this to you, but drifting is a business with lots of dollars. We are not hanging out with homies in the mountains drifting for run. Drifting is big business and there is alot at stake here for everyone. Drifitng is very unique in that most teams are very friendly with each other and help each other out, which is unlike most motorsports. Don't be disappointed in drifting, this is the business part of drifting that doesn't need to be seen in public.

Please stop by the Hankook trailer, I will have some cold drinks and a nice goody bag for you.

See you in Vegas.

[OldSkool510]

F1 has the GPDA (Grand Prix Drivers Association), and most other major series have something similar. For sure Formula Drift drivers should do the same. Make your voices heard in the right way about all issues: Safety, Regs, Judging, etc.

This makes the most sense. All professional entities have unions/associations.

Rather than airing out your grievances on a public forum, you guys who are actually in the industry and have an actual interest in the matter should form a union/association of some sort and approach Formula D with it. It would make sense for them to allow the voices of their drivers and teams to be heard in order to assist in advancing the sport of drifting.

Like it or not, you guys all need each other. FORMULA D FTW.

[Justin Banner]

The team started out in japan, takatori and kawamra(the mechanic)have been together as a team for years

Ah, ok. You don't want to ruin a good tech/driver lineup, so that makes much more sense.

[MonkeySlide]

I knew this was going to happen sooner or later...

Behold children...we've made autoblog: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/04/d...a-d-rule-book/

[deadpirate]

see you in vegas blaze. feel free to stop by the toyo rig and say hello!

[_PG_]

F1 has the GPDA (Grand Prix Drivers Association), and most other major series have something similar. For sure Formula Drift drivers should do the same. Make your voices heard in the right way about all issues: Safety, Regs, Judging, etc.

[Bebop]

Cameron,

So why have you lost respect for Peak Perfomrnace, is it because I am keeping you accountable of your statement stating that the Nig**azzz at Peak are pissEDD, is that why? I had no idea this was going on til Monday night when other FD teams called and wondered why I was so upset. I honestly had no idea that this stuff was going on until you brought my name into all this. I had no choice but to post and let everyone know that I am not upset and I am sure that FD will do their best to keep this situation as fair as possible. Like I said, we have been involved with drift for quite some time and have felt that Formula D has been pretty good about being fair with everyone that competes.

Have you lost respect for my company because we called you out and asked to modify your post associating our company with the N word? I know that you are an African American and still a teeneager. But I don't think referring to anyone using the N word is appropriate nor does our company endorse that type of verbage. I am not asking you to like Peak Performance or endorse my product, but randomly just saying you lost respect for my company without explanation or reason makes no sense. I know that I started my company when you were 2 and we started drifting when you were probably 14 or 13. I know it is easy to talk sh*t about me or Bergenholtz racing sitting behind your computer, but just be aware that both of us have been doing this for a long time. Bergenholtz has been modifying cars for probably 16 years and been drag racing professionally for a long time, they understand the racer and the organizers. Have some respect for the old timers, we are the grand daddies here in America.

I understand that you want to be involved in all these threads to keep your post count high, but don't bring my company up unless you know directly that we are upset. Your statement of us being upset regarding Team SA is completely false! I politely asked you to modify your statement and yet you continue to bring up my company. I hope the drifting.com community understands that blaze1 is the rantings of a 18 year old in Moreno Valley that just graduated high school that is constantly posting nonsense to keep his post count high.

You state "Guys are kinda sounding like babies.... "obey the rules, dont like the rules leave". " - Well Cam, who sounds like babies, the guys saying there are rules and we need to abide by them or guys asking for rules to be changed because their team mechanics cannot properly understand english and created a car that is not legal in our series according to the Chief Steward? I am not trying to fuel the fire in regards to this whole Team SA issue, I just want these guys to try to find a solution so they can race. I feel that alot of people are just here fanning the fire and posting nonsense.

Bottom line there is a problem according to FD, if they want it changed, then it needs to be changed or suffer the consequences. Both Bergenholtz and Peak does not benefit to see such a badass car run in our series. This is not for self benefit, both Bergenholtz racing and Peak do not receive any benefits to see Team SA run. For all I care, don't fix and quit the series. My team needs all the help it can get.


See you in Las Vegas, its going to be HOT!

Eddie Kim

I Whole heartidly appologize you thought my comments at the beggining of this thread were serious. I'm sorry other people called you thinking that this was serious and you had to take out time to get my post eddited. I just brought peak up because you guys are probably the biggest aftermarket suspension company with a team. You should half way feel flatterd.

They pushed the power rack back 6 inches and they welded the knuckles

XXX EDITED

]All jokes aside, Formula D just isn't strong enough for a driver like takatori to dominate in there series.

You could have came on here PMed me and asked what my post was about.

You could have just contacted the admin and asked them to edit my post
and be gone.

But you came on here and made your self look much worse, with you teams name *smh*.

And wholeheartedly... if you look back in the posts regarding your team I have always supported you guys.

Nashida ripped up D1: Support
Peak Acquiring Joon: Support
Peak Switching over to hankook : Support

And not just congratulations... good luck peak. But I get excited when I hear about your guyses team. And I'm a little sanded that Joon or Robbie arent doing that good this year, but it seems like it mostly stems from improper setup. I'm pretty confident that you guys will work it out though .

As far as I'm a black 18 year old who just graduated highschool who uses the N word yadayada yada. Once again, it was a joke. Why would I try to be a post whore and a practically half way dead forum. This is probably the biggest thread of the year and if you notice the same damn 7 people are posting on it.

With that being said, let everyone and drifting.com know what I've been saying the last few years. I'm on here because I'm a fan, not a insider, not a driver, not even a want to be driver. I'm just a guy who loves the sport, I'm just a loyal fan. And guess what, there are a million more just like me. The ones who really kinda keep this sport going.

There's always going to be the kids who save up half a years earning just to buy parts for they're ugly *Censored**Censored**Censored* cars. Take em to drift days or drift around there local industrial park, smash em then do it again. Thats all I am, I got my favorite teams and drivers. And I have a opinion about what goes on in the sport and I express it on here.

Now I will state it again why I lost respect for you guys. It sounds like to me you want SA to leave the series, it seems like you have little sympathy for the team getting pushed around for no good reason. Yea its for a reason, but for a good reason??? I dont like the idea of having a teams rolling around the pits looking for cars to single out for suspension violations.

Where is all the comradery, If I was a team owner or a driver I would be trying to help the team out. You guys need to band together and work for a just cause, formula d shouldn't have all the say so, stick up for your fellow competitor. The rules are just really unfair right now, and all you guys have to say is "For all I care, don't fix and quit the series. My team needs all the help it can get. "

You heard it here first, peak performance doesent like competition.

Like I said before, Formula D needs a driver union. You never know, your team can be next.

Good luck with the rest of your season

Happy Fourth

See ya in Vegas!

[OldSkool510]

This my first post on this thread. All I have to say is.....It's 4th of July guys...Chill out and have some fun with the family and friends.

[deadpirate]

SA-Drift

How come you guys don't have an English speaking mechanic? Not trying to be critical and I can understand budget constraints if that's the reason. Even if you did, even I'm a little confused by the rules reading them as is. The only reason I have a little clarity about it was by watching the latest Drift Zone where it was basically spelled out.

The team started out in japan, takatori and kawamra(the mechanic)have been together as a team for years

Everyone Else

My opinion, I agree with courantcom, fine them, allow them to compete for the rest of the year, modify the rules to define what's really allowed and have public VTS sheets. NASA, SCCA, and many other organizations have these rules in place for this reason. However, as the rules are currently written, SA-Drift did violate them, unfortunately from a translation issue.

Again, this is my opinion, but the course now should be fine SA, allow them to compete for the rest of the year, modify the rules to define what's really allowed and have public VTS sheets.

^^ this seems fair, where is formula D??

[courantcom]

Come on man. Thats not the context I meant it in.

I'm just saying we all need to work together. It has been brought to their attention and it is time to move on. Improvements will be made and it should be good. The overall goal is to make drifting grow and prosper. We need to all get along and have productive dialogue.

Oh okay...I get it. You must have meant, "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!" ;-)

[bergenholtz]

Come on man. Thats not the context I meant it in.

I'm just saying we all need to work together. It has been brought to their attention and it is time to move on. Improvements will be made and it should be good. The overall goal is to make drifting grow and prosper. We need to all get along and have productive dialogue.

[courantcom]

On a brighter note, Opions are good and obviously listened. I would assume they are taken into consideration by the powers that be and a difference will be made. Bottom of the line, we are all in this together for the love of the sport. Let's try not to make it conflicting opinion but constructive. Understanding and productivity is they key and I would imagine all our 2 cents together can make a difference to maybe a million bucks.

"Can't we all just get along."

-Rodney King

My measily two cents again towards the million dollars. heheheeheh

Dude, you can't be quoting Rodney King in a situation like this!

What happened in his situation? He got pulled over going what...80+ in a Hyundai Excel. Then, he got beat down by the police with their batons and what not. Someone video taped it, made it public, and then the police went to court. The court let the cops go, and the Los Angeles Riots started... The cops went back to court, and were convicted at that time, after the result of a massive public unrest. The big bad police was wrong. Had this particular incident not been brought to the public's attention, Rodney King would have just been thrown out of a moving car in front of his house, and nobody would have ever looked back.

The whole key to what brought justice to Rodney King was that the information that I'm CERTAIN the police wanted to keep quiet was made public by someone who thought that everyone needed to know. Hmmm...kinda like this entire thread, huh.

Hmmm...in this particular situation, SA Drift is like Rodney King, and Formula D is the LAPD (Los Angeles Police Department). They could have just given him a speeding ticket, just like everyone else and let him go...but NoOOo.

[bergenholtz]

On a brighter note, Opions are good and obviously listened. I would assume they are taken into consideration by the powers that be and a difference will be made. Believe me they are listening. They are thinking about it. Bottom of the line, we are all in this together for the love of the sport. Let's try not to make it conflicting opinion but constructive. Understanding and productivity as a whole (ALL of US involved) is the key and I would imagine all our 2 cents together can make a difference to maybe a million bucks together for the Sport of Drift.

"Can't we all just get along."

-Rodney King

My measily two cents again towards the million dollars. heheheeheh

[Justin Banner]

SA-Drift

How come you guys don't have an English speaking mechanic? Not trying to be critical and I can understand budget constraints if that's the reason. Even if you did, even I'm a little confused by the rules reading them as is. The only reason I have a little clarity about it was by watching the latest Drift Zone where it was basically spelled out.

Everyone Else

My opinion, I agree with courantcom, fine them, allow them to compete for the rest of the year, modify the rules to define what's really allowed and have public VTS sheets. NASA, SCCA, and many other organizations have these rules in place for this reason. However, as the rules are currently written, SA-Drift did violate them, unfortunately from a translation issue.

Again, this is my opinion, but the course now should be fine SA, allow them to compete for the rest of the year, modify the rules to define what's really allowed and have public VTS sheets.