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[DaGOATRollaGTS]

Wow, this is where I have to put the foot down, im a nice guy but here im going to tell you about yourself Craig.

You do your job well sir and I think your paid what you should be getting. However you have indeed missed the point.

Snoop as an example? What lable did he sell under? One friendly to HIS vision and that promoted his image AS IT WAS. Picked up outside target audiance....ever seen Gang Bangin in Little Rock....im sayin yeah, it worked.

I cant remember what else did you let slip...Oh yeah, had to check the post over again. And man are you way off.

You told us crappy coverage of our beloved motorsports is why the evo and STi are here....that sir is the biggest load of cow poop ive ever read. As a matter of fact I actually looked above your post for the cow icon taking a dump. Do you have one of those? Just click it and your post is generated from previous ones thrown all together?

In fact the reason the WRX (not STi, the WRX that was introduced first) WAS introduced was because of all the attention it got at a US auto show. The hoopla was so great the company decided to try it in the US with expected sales of 5000 units. Do you understand? 5000 units. DO you know how few that is for a new model vehicle. Subaru really didnt think the vehicle would sell. Wana tell me how many they did sell?

15000 orders were filled Craig. 15K. THREE TIMES expected buisness was done, other markets in the world suffered to bring that car here. Mutch like the EVO upon arrival, you couldnt test drive a WRX wouthout a 5K dollar deposit on one that was non reffundable it was so hot.

Why is the automotive industry booming with japanese super vehicles now? Why is Pontiac having to step up its game to catch up? Why is there a turbo Neon? Why is Chevy putting the finnishing toutches on a supercharged cavalier? Side note: my boy had a quad 4 cavalier that rapped 5.0 and cobra mustangs all day long. Heres why...

ME, THE GUY THAT POSTED BEFORE ME, THE ONE THAT WILL POST AFTER ME.

WE are the steering wheel cowboys that ride the frontier of the automotive industry laying down the law as we see fit. Plaine and simple. If we dont buy there is no market. Hell, if we would buy we will find a way to get it, mutch like motorex and a few other registered importeres and comercial import carriers.

I spend hours upon hours turning a wrench putting my car together and making sure everythings perfect so that I can drive a 12:1 compression (actually more now that the HKS headgasket is on) Corolla GTS. To date no one else in my city even has one. And you expect me to listen to a set of hooters and an onion? Might as well ask me to cause thats all that chick has for brains. Ive heard the delivery, its obviously read.

Ive said it before and I will say it again....all you have to do to be successfully is...


LISTEN.

Dont sit there and tell us that underground isnt popular. Its just not popular to you and the powers that be because you dont know about it yet. Just like drifting, it was far more popular then than it is now because of corporate endevors. Will it get commercialized, yes, this discussion has been held on many a message board years before drifting.com even existed.

Velocity.isfaster.com
FA
Club4AG.com
DGTrials.com (didnt exist before but...actually it did just not years before)
AOL Import Racing chat rooms
The local street races.
And a back country road or two.

All places ive been in the mix on, not many but hey, thats how it is when you have a core group of people doing something cool that no one knows about.

Then comes a new kid asking if he can play...or in your case not even asking.

You know what you look like to thies guys? Remember the movie Tourque when the razor head harley drivin guy stops in a rest area and this yuppy pulls up on his new "chopper" with his girl on the back and asks the chain wearing guy to take a picture?

By the way Jamie Presly is the hottest thing on earth in that film.

Yeah, your that guy. Sure he could ride, and he had a nice bike, but he was such a choad.

Dont be that guy. Sit back, observe. Test the waters and learn. Then go and do your own thing and it will be well respected.

[craiglieberman]

Some really good posts, here...

I really, really appreciate the passion expressed....believe it or not, I love cars and drifting as much as all of you.

Its' very hard to be all things to all people and its' clear that we need to focus on being the right things to the hardcore people, then everything else will follow.

Believe me when I tell you that the entire production team is monitoring this thread and somewhat to our dismay, the argument is still divided: some like what we're doing, some don't, most agree that some more focus on hardcore drifting, capturing the sounds of the cars and focusing on the celebs within the drifting world is important...we're undertaking to do that.

There will still be features on cars at the track, like we did with the Sparco Evo 8 and please remember that the show will still encompass other components of the tuner world, but with almost no car show coverage.

Some of your suggestions are helpful, but candidly, if you read all of these posts, you can see where's there's conflict even within the membership of this board. You see our challenge now?


I respect and admire the passion you've all displayed...I hope we're able to glean some useful ideas for shaping this show into something you can all relate to. Hopefully, you all agree we're doing it better than shows before us.

[spock]

A good host would be someone like this:

Seriously.

[yarzan]

the only guy i can remember that really dissagread with the rest of us was that noob audi guy... he was instantly shot down, corrected, and put back in his place.

[WINDING Master]

Re: Some really good posts, here...

Craig,

Can you discuss the agenda for the next show?

[mranlet]

Originally posted by spock
A good host would be someone like this:

Seriously.

+1, have Evans and Courtney as co-hosts

As members of the drifting community I think that we're trying to, in a sense, "moderate" what gets shown to any schmoe who flips to the right channel. Only on a board like this one can that be done (this comment made with all respect to the admins and mods on this board).

I never thought I'd say this, but:
Craig - you're our man - only you can help us make it happen.

-MR

[my 1 88 u]

We are cool. we are car geeks that strive for better understanding and control over our cars and that is why there are like a 1,000 newbies a day that want to learn and be like us. In the previews for the show they stated they were for us and by us, not for us and everyother potential target audiances. I feel so cheated, like no freeking show on american tv will ever get it right!!!! sell the show to us how we want it and see how fast people will adapt and change to our life style. the format was already set in japan years ago. you want to make some serious money just watch option videos and apply it to us.

I dont want drifting to become like monster trucks were like a few hundred people in this country participate while thousands just spectate and dream. I want it to become a way of life were every damn car with a fart can is actually a well tuned machine that every weekend attends road courses and/or short track drift session (for an affordable price) to gain better control behind the wheel and have fun.

[DaGOATRollaGTS]

Sounds like people are repeating what I say, you guys read your own threads yeah?

Craig you mention some self contradictions. Can you be more specific so as to discuss them?

For the most part I think its obvious that if there were a show they would be all about it would be by drifters for drifters. As cheezy as that sounds.

Dont get us wrong, we want alot of show coverage and movies. We just want them done correctly. With the attention to detail a true car guy would put into his own car.

[snowblind]

I dont think that a show that was exactly the way we wanted it would be succesfull(sp?), pretty much we want option videos in english (or subed), am I right?

as for craig, no matter what is on the show people will be divided on it. But more drifting, less effects = better. too much drifting? do a tech section in alex's shop. (If you do that I want credit ::shakes fist:: j/k)

[Boost Squared]

Redline TV

When you talk about Courtney Day the host of Redline it seems to me you have forgottten she is real and may read the hateful things you are saying on this forum, and actually belive for a moment that one of you Jhonson heads might even have an inkling about what comes out of your mouth. But we know that's
impossible.

I have followed her career and know she loves cars, is going to take drifting lessons and is obviously not afraid to go TV and host a show that you guys should be happy to have on at all.

[EDITED POST]

[SilviaLove]

Let me show you a simple equation and maybe it would become more evident, Courtney + Drifting = ?. Another play off the current "excitement' of the import world, great....This show seemed like it would break the trend of current or past shows mistakes when presenting an import related subject matter. Sure, a pretty face does generate interest, but from what i remember RedlineTv is suppose to "use drifting as a backdrop" then why not use someone that can related to the subject material and subculture (of drifting). I think many people have problems differentiating groups within "tuner" scene, as i have heard it called formally, where they clump the people into anything import into one large group "who think it’s cool to spend 50 grand hopping up a Honda Civic that—even when modified—can’t outrun a Corvette" (Car and Driver). In general a drifter does not fit it to that stereotype because we are into driving our cars now matter how they look and wouldn't mind if we couldn't out run a corvette. I understand that drifting has been tacked under (or with) with shows and "bling", but when it comes down to it, drifting is about the love of driving. If the drifting is the subject matter then keep that focus. So, with no disrespect to Miss Day, she maybe beautiful but does that really matter when the presentations is without substance?

[EightSevenZero]

i want to see in car coverage of the pros.

i've been wondering how alex specifically drives.

especially taka and hiro.

and if you need help on content... maybe ask moto-san from club4ag. he's like the guy who started the whole thing in the states at least officially with his drift days. hopefully hes not too busy and i'm not enburdening him. =D

[CourtneyDayFan]

Re: Redline TV

Originally posted by Boost Squared
When you talk about Courtney Day the host of Redline it seems to me you have forgottten she is real and may read the hateful things you are saying on this forum, and actually belive for a moment that one of you Jhonson heads might even have an inkling about what comes out of your mouth. But we know that's
impossible.

I have followed her career and know she loves cars, is going to take drifting lessons and is obviously not afraid to go TV and host a show that you guys should be happy to have on at all.

[EDITED POST]

Thanks for the support Boost!

She reads all of this. We share the same email and since I subscribed to this thread, she sees all these posts coming to our mail. There are a few ridiculous comments, but like anyone cares what a 16 yr old who's never even been to a drifting event has to say. As for the others, No biggie, she can use the criticism to help her for shooting future episodes like today. Problem being is she doesn't receive the script until the night before shooting. Today's script will probably be given 30 min before. Hopefully she'll actually have time to look it over longer for future episodes.

[DaGOATRollaGTS]

[EDITED-first sentence]

BIG props to Motohid Miwa for his efforts and sucess with Club4AGs popularity as well as Drift Association. I hope he continues to do it well. However know that he did not start drifting in the US, nore did Chriss Cobetto even though he is also doing a great job with Mike Deford in presenting a place for us to get our driving in. Sorry for bringing your name up again guys, this time its just to make a point.

IM sick and tired of people saying they did this and they did that when there talking about a national "trend". And no one person made it mainstream either.

What made (and continues to make) drifting so popular is its own traits. For the same reason race fans go to see whatever series they love. Smoke, noize, look of the cars, drivers and other spectators.

People have been drifting in the US for a while now guys and it surprizes me that a site thats supposedly dedicated to it, number one is full of people who may indeed do it but has absolutly no clue about where there chosen hobby has come from and secondly is supported by persons who know even less about it then the hobbiest that habbitate here.

If drifting is to come from someone its all the guys who have been building cars and doing it for the last 5 years in this country. The folks that would head out at 2 AM to practice in small groups on there favorate roads or industrial parks or parking lots with there boys, or girls.

Ive talked to Alex a very long time ago on a very off and on bassis, and no I dont know the guy, however I know of him and the type of people he hangs with. They are the real deal! Nadine and her efforts, thats whats up!

If that is not what networks are looking for then they are not looking for drifting. Hands down. Cause those are the types of people I wish to drive with, those are the persons with skills sets I wish to posses. Those are the indeviduals I would hang with and at one point did share the same social venue/message boards.

As for Ms Day. God bless you for liking cars. Many a guy searches long and hard for a woman like you. Wana learn to drift, that makes you a million times better. Much like Craig no one can blame you for doing your job.

It does seem however that people are missing the point. This thread is specifically about feedback on the show, and it was asked for. Your specifically asking people to tell you whats good AS WELL AS whats wrong with your show. Dont get your panties in a bunch when you start hearing it.

Put Day in a sweatshirt and some baggy jeans with a few greas spots and some mechanics gloves. Hair in a pony tail. Let her get some seat time, start the show off with her getting assed out in an 86 or S13 or FC who cares, let her pull up to a camera and get out to start the show. If the womans got the skills bring her on.

However dont get angry when you ask us what we would like and we tell you that not only what you have given isnt what we want and that in fact its possibly the worst thing you could have given us.

And now I get really indignant. Well not really. I actually started to post a really mean reply here but backspaced for about a full minute.

You kids gotta settle down. Dont get tied into one website like drifting.com or a handfull of other sites with videos and pictures and throw them up on your wall paper. Do some resarch. I have a favorates folder with literally 50 diffirent automotive websites dedicated to drifting or road racing style performance. In all honesty not saying that there is something wrong with this particular site however Drifting.com is not one of those on my list. Im only posting here because someone from my regular haunt, www.DGTrails.com, posted about the thread and I thought I would check it out.

Learn a few things. To be honest I think thats what everyone here needs to do. It would be better for everyone involved if they just learned a few things, the history of drifting, who the well respected parties are, whats considered nice and whats not, whats the scope of its participants, how "passionate" are they (good word choice there Craig)? Know something about what your trying to show. You cant put a package together and tell me its my favorate thing. To illustrate...I go off on thies tangents every now and again as you can tell by now.

I LOVE KEY LIME PIE!!!

I really do. With a nice tangy rasberry sauce its one of the best things ever. Damn near orgazmic. The best I have ever tasted has been from southern Florida where the limes grow the best, actually in the Keys is where they are best grown, thus the name "KEY" Lime Pie. Well. Ive been many a place all over this country and every time I eat a great meal if they have key lime pie I order it. Its absolutly my favorate. Now I have never tasted anything as vile as something called key lime pie, outside of anything south of Daytona Florida. Except Mrs. Smiths. That stuff in the frozen section at the supermarket. Im HEAVILY surprized. And it gets me by until I can get back to Florida.

Same goes with drifting, I have yet to make it to the east coast, but I have talked to many a person from California, Hawaii, Seattle, Texas, Nevada, Missouri, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Pynnsylvania, New York and Tennesee. Ive seen video of thies guys and there crews if not in person. I chill with them. I enjoy a broad cross section of this hobby and let me tell you were all the same. Diffirent ideals outside of drifting but the idea is the same. Were not hard to please. A lot or road large safe enough and keys to a car strong enough to put up with the abuse. Were a very simplistic people. And at least for the people Ive talked to, we enjoy our own association. We make each other laugh.

Best time Ive ever had was at Summit Point camping out with the guys from lookoutdrift.com. The origional guys. Mike, Jerry and that guy that did the sick burnout in his dads Dodge Ram 1500 while listening to the Peanut Butter and Jelly song. That weekend was the absolut sickest. You guys know there is a house in Jersy cohabitated with nothing but drifters? They live and work out of there and when drifters travel to events, thats where they crash. Were just that close knit. So when you talk about taking something that overcomes all boundries and brings people together who can be instant friends even though they have never met before, take a glance at it, make what you think it is and tell me its great. We say no.

So, for now, until any of you can tell me about the smallest group in drifting that gets the most respect, im not going to be all to happy with a show. When you can show me a kid that drifts his butt off and doesnt even have a licence, im not going to like it too much. When you see a guy in a Dodge truck drift, a S/350Z with drift rash gets sick and throws smoke like a stack on a papermill then I will be happy. Show me people with dirty hands that fix there cars at the events all day long just so they can get one run in. Then ill be happy. And in the spirit of Ben Afflec in Boiler Room...


Thats it im done.

[EightSevenZero]

876 go crack your ribs trying to suck yourself.

first of it all its 870, dude whats with the hostility. i didn't say anything bad did i?

anyway... about the starting drifting comment. i guess i should've explained myself more clearly. as far as i know moto has been the longest drift clinic/event holder/runner whatever in the us.

i guess there was that one d1 event a long time ago... but no one really cared much for it back then.

now about where drifting actually started i'd say it was that little old woman who was driving her first model t back in the early 1900's by accident. there are pictures of enzo drifting back in the day also. so if you want to be technical about it. but as far as in the states... i believe moto of club4ag has endured the longest with his clinic/events therefore my right to say he started drifting in the us(as far as sanctioned events)

you need to calm down son.